JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 2 minutes ago, fathom said: First 3 in a deal sounds good to me. I’d be fine with that too. I like Houck but excluding him wouldn’t be a deal breaker for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 2 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: I did not know Jett Williams is only 5’6. But slugged .451 in A/A+ as a 19 yo. He’s built like a rock at 175 lb. Altuve 2.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 45 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: How much did you actually see Maldonado catch last season and if he was as terrible as you say why was he catching for them in the playoffs??? Surely, the Astros are smarter than that… Fangraphs inflated Cease’s value in 2023 but it didn’t inflate Grandal’s defensive value over his entire career? Not sure how anyone that watched Grandal catch for the white sox over the past four seasons could argue he’s anything but a terrible defensive catcher, especially the last couple seasons. Even before the Sox signed him I said his defense was way overrated but everyone would always reference fangraphs and his great “framing.” That’s great and all but the guy can’t block, he can’t throw, and he made some huge mental mistakes. I won’t even get into the pitch calling. He was terrible. The Sox also acquired a catcher that didn’t even play at all last year. I’m not sure they care too much, as long as the guy is cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 3 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: But slugged .451 in A/A+ as a 19 yo. He’s built like a rock at 175 lb. Altuve 2.0 What if he’s Madrigal 2.0 instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy Demon Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Little contradictory here. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/01/latest-on-mets-offseason-plans.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 6 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: I’d be fine with that too. I like Houck but excluding him wouldn’t be a deal breaker for me. Excluding him and not getting a 4th piece or just accepting him as 4th piece? Seems like a no-brainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 (edited) 9 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: What if he’s Madrigal 2.0 instead. Well, he has more homers and nearly as many stolen bases in just over a year of pro ball (at age 18/19) as Madrigal has in 5+ years (minors included) so I doubt it. Edited January 8 by JUSTgottaBELIEVE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 8 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Excluding him and not getting a 4th piece or just accepting him as 4th piece? Seems like a no-brainer. Getting a lotto as the 4th instead of Houck. But I’m really high on Jett (I think he’s their best prospect) and I like Gilbert a lot too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Snowy Demon said: Little contradictory here. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/01/latest-on-mets-offseason-plans.html Possible that they shop for a cheaper option controlled beyond 1 year and deal Q's 1 year salary. His salary isn't high but they could save a little bit by doing that. Edited January 8 by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 22 minutes ago, Snowy Demon said: Little contradictory here. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/01/latest-on-mets-offseason-plans.html I’m not familiar with those writers from The Athletic. Are they more reliable than Mark Feinsand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 1 hour ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Huh? Stassi didn’t play last season. And Grandal caught 92 games (started 79) so I disagree. Zero chance Maldonado is a worse defender than Grandal. As hard as it is to believe someone could be worse than Yaz, Maldonado says hold my beer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fielder Jones Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 5 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: As hard as it is to believe someone could be worse than Yaz, Maldonado says hold my beer. Maldonado was terrible framing was but very good on the other things. 75th percentile pitch blocking, 71st percentile on pop times. The stolen bases are not as good a metric as the pop times because they involve the pitchers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 3 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: As hard as it is to believe someone could be worse than Yaz, Maldonado says hold my beer. I gotta see it with my own two eyes before I can actually state that. I watched the Astros a decent bit last year, and certainly in the playoffs, and can't say anything stood out to me. Don't get me wrong, I would not have signed MM - certainly not for $4.25M - and I am not expecting prime Machete, but I am not sure he's actual "worst catcher in MLB" bad at defense yet. Advanced metrics have always been a bit hit or a miss on catchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 3 minutes ago, Fielder Jones said: Maldonado was terrible framing was but very good on the other things. 75th percentile pitch blocking, 71st percentile on pop times. The stolen bases are not as good a metric as the pop times because they involve the pitchers And for this exact reason I hate referencing fangraphs for catching defense. They seem to overly inflate framing for whatever reason. There’s no way Grandal was an average defensive catcher last season, which they seemed to rate him as. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, Fielder Jones said: Maldonado was terrible framing was but very good on the other things. 75th percentile pitch blocking, 71st percentile on pop times. The stolen bases are not as good a metric as the pop times because they involve the pitchers Baseball prospectus ranks him in the bottom 20% of the league in terms of blocking and bottom 10% of deterring base stealers - which is far more consistent with his terrible CS% rate and high PB rate (also far worse than the other pitcher on the roster) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFest23 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, Tnetennba said: As hard as it is to believe someone could be worse than Yaz, Maldonado says hold my beer. 100% can't be worse than Yaz, no way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 hours ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: MLB.com intern must be reading my tweets. 👀 2 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said: I will forever laugh at the name: Dick Fitts In all seriousness, I like your proposal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 13 minutes ago, SoxFest23 said: 100% can't be worse than Yaz, no way. Not even in the realm of possibility? We saw way too much of awful Yaz so it's hard to fathom, but I wouldn't hold my breath expecting drastic improvement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 17 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: In all seriousness, I like your proposal. Dick Fitts? If only we could also acquire Rusty Kuntz. Wait! Rusty is the Special Assistant to the GM/Quality Control for the Royals. I bet Getz can make this dream happen! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolle Tide Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 5 hours ago, Jerksticks said: Right. We both outlined these prospects the same. I originally said I wouldn’t be super excited by this. Again it’s a fine haul but I don’t have to be thrilled by it. Again I’d rather get some bad ass LH bat prospects. So now explain how me not being thrilled by that leaps to a “Ruth, Aaron, Clemens & Nolan Ryan” type of comment. It sure seems to insinuate a level of ridiculousness on my part. Why? I hear you …. LH bat prospects. I’ll be surprised if the White Sox get anything close to that value. I hope you get it though! Rebuilding Sucks Really, I was just kidding around sir! Sorry if you didn’t see it that way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Dick Fitts? If only we could also acquire Rusty Kuntz. Wait! Rusty is the Special Assistant to the GM/Quality Control for the Royals. I bet Getz can make this dream happen! And a former White Sox to boot, lol...doesn't that count for anything anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 They wouldn’t take Kenley Jansen’s contract. No chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: They wouldn’t take Kenley Jansen’s contract. No chance. Nor should they...unless the prospect return is bordering on great. Would rather flip Benintendi back for Yoshida. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Imanaga to the Giants is one of those "best case scenarios" for the Cease market, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Imanaga to the Giants is one of those "best case scenarios" for the Cease market, right? Wouldn't that take them out of Snell tho? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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