You said Mullins is a “speed-based player” implying that most of his value comes from his speed. He has the same number of career homers as Robert, albeit in more PAs because he’s been healthier, and a similar career wRC+. If Mullins is a speed-based player then I suppose Robert is too but I don’t consider either that. Their speed allows them to be solid defenders in CF but when I think of speed-based players I think of Juan Pierre or Scotty Pods.
Robert and Mullins BOTH have 93 career homers.
Although there's a BIG difference in their ages, comparatively.
Over a 600 game season, Mullins (going off career averages for both) would hit 22 homers and Robert 29.
It has taken Cedric an extra 633 at-bats (one full season) to get to those power numbers.
So I'll rephrase it to say that Mullins has always been MORE known for speed and strong defense than power.
Robert has always been known for both SPEED and POWER.
We'll see what Elias does...one rumor under consideration is Coby Mayo and Povich to MN for Joe Ryan. It's going to go until June/July before a decision is made.
That gives the Robert market a head start, as everyone in the baseball world knows Getz wants to trade Luis.
Although there's a BIG difference in their ages, comparatively.
Over a 600 game season, Mullins (going off career averages for both) would hit 22 homers and Robert 29.
It has taken Cedric an extra 633 at-bats (one full season) to get to those power numbers.
So I'll rephrase it to say that Mullins has always been MORE known for speed and strong defense than power.
Robert has always been known for both SPEED and POWER.
We'll see what Elias does...one rumor under consideration is Coby Mayo and Povich to MN for Joe Ryan. It's going to go until June/July before a decision is made.
That gives the Robert market a head start, as everyone in the baseball world knows Getz wants to trade Luis.
The interesting thing is Robert has only hit more than 14 homers in a season one time. I don’t know, the power surge in 2023 sure looks fluky to me when you look at his career numbers.
To compare these two is like comparing Crochet and Martin Perez this past off-season you are not looking at the back of the baseball card.
I don’t consider either a “power” hitter. Pete Alonso (Homer every 13.9 AB) and Aaron Judge (Homer every 11.3 AB) are power hitters.
At the end of the day, Mullins and Robert have been pretty much equal at the plate over their careers - 109 vs 114 career wRC+. Above average hitters but nothing special.
To compare these two is like comparing Crochet and Martin Perez this past off-season you are not looking at the back of the baseball card.
We aren’t dealing with a reasonable person unfortunately. Robert certainly has his flows, but if somebody feels power is one of them then they are an objective person.
We aren’t dealing with a reasonable person unfortunately. Robert certainly has his flows, but if somebody feels power is one of them then they are an objective person.
Are you disputing that the overall production from Mullins is much different than Robert over the course of their careers? As far as I can tell, both rate (objectively) very similarly across offense, defense, and base running. In fact, it’s probably hard to find an active CF that compares as closely to Robert as Mullins does. Neither is a “power” hitter unless your definition of power hitter is different than mine.
Are you disputing that the overall production from Mullins is much different than Robert over the course of their careers? As far as I can tell, both rate (objectively) very similarly across offense, defense, and base running. In fact, it’s probably hard to find an active CF that compares as closely to Robert as Mullins does. Neither is a “power” hitter unless your definition of power hitter is different than mine.
I mean, Robert’s career .203 ISO would rank 40th overall amongst qualified hitters right now and his .278 ISO in 2023 would rank 14th this year. You may think his 2023 ISO is flukey, but we’re talking about a guy with 92% percentile bat speed and 97% percentile Max EV. The dude is a legit power hitter who just happens to play CF. His game power may not always be super elite, but let’s not pretend he’s not well above average overall.
Are you disputing that the overall production from Mullins is much different than Robert over the course of their careers? As far as I can tell, both rate (objectively) very similarly across offense, defense, and base running. In fact, it’s probably hard to find an active CF that compares as closely to Robert as Mullins does. Neither is a “power” hitter unless your definition of power hitter is different than mine.
This just reads like how the Sox operate in free agency. Instead of the top rated guys, we try to squint and find the almost as good guy for cheaper.
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Robert and Mullins BOTH have 93 career homers.
Although there's a BIG difference in their ages, comparatively.
Over a 600 game season, Mullins (going off career averages for both) would hit 22 homers and Robert 29.
It has taken Cedric an extra 633 at-bats (one full season) to get to those power numbers.
So I'll rephrase it to say that Mullins has always been MORE known for speed and strong defense than power.
Robert has always been known for both SPEED and POWER.
We'll see what Elias does...one rumor under consideration is Coby Mayo and Povich to MN for Joe Ryan. It's going to go until June/July before a decision is made.
That gives the Robert market a head start, as everyone in the baseball world knows Getz wants to trade Luis.
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The interesting thing is Robert has only hit more than 14 homers in a season one time. I don’t know, the power surge in 2023 sure looks fluky to me when you look at his career numbers.
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Robert homers every 20.6 AB
Mullins 27.4
To compare these two is like comparing Crochet and Martin Perez this past off-season you are not looking at the back of the baseball card.
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I don’t consider either a “power” hitter. Pete Alonso (Homer every 13.9 AB) and Aaron Judge (Homer every 11.3 AB) are power hitters.
At the end of the day, Mullins and Robert have been pretty much equal at the plate over their careers - 109 vs 114 career wRC+. Above average hitters but nothing special.
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We aren’t dealing with a reasonable person unfortunately. Robert certainly has his flows, but if somebody feels power is one of them then they are an objective person.
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Are you disputing that the overall production from Mullins is much different than Robert over the course of their careers? As far as I can tell, both rate (objectively) very similarly across offense, defense, and base running. In fact, it’s probably hard to find an active CF that compares as closely to Robert as Mullins does. Neither is a “power” hitter unless your definition of power hitter is different than mine.
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I mean, Robert’s career .203 ISO would rank 40th overall amongst qualified hitters right now and his .278 ISO in 2023 would rank 14th this year. You may think his 2023 ISO is flukey, but we’re talking about a guy with 92% percentile bat speed and 97% percentile Max EV. The dude is a legit power hitter who just happens to play CF. His game power may not always be super elite, but let’s not pretend he’s not well above average overall.
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This just reads like how the Sox operate in free agency. Instead of the top rated guys, we try to squint and find the almost as good guy for cheaper.
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Or hoping guys can make a big comeback who are coming off injury or are starting to age.
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In middle school my friends were competing over whose dad's car was the most popular - the dad with the Honda Accord or the dad with the Toyota Camry.
I tried convincing them that my dad's Oldsmobile Alero was just as good as their dads' cars.
That's all we can hope to get. A middling sedan from a forgotten and now-defunct brand.
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