CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 2 hours ago, Quin said: I stand by my point that a better org takes these guys (while they were still young and developing) and absolutely crushes it. That's more of a guess than a point isn't it ? I mean do they suddenly get healthier ? Do coaches and trainers drill it into the poor dumb players heads to train the right way and injuries stop being so plentiful ? Did Robert forget everything that happened in 2023 ? Is he mentally defeated ? Physically defeated ? A combination platter ? Why is a 12th rounder like Baldwin hitting better than our 5 tool superstar for 1 year ? Why are a bunch of AAAA players just as good as Robert right now ? Maybe picking players who develop enough to make it to the majors is just mostly a crap shoot . Some organizations draft better some develop position players better.Some develop pitchers better. Most well run organizations spend a lot of money, more scouts, more coaches, more data miners, more trainers, more computers , more equipment , more sales people , more public relations people . A well run organizations like the Dodgers says screw it let's just buy the best players a lot more than they develop stars. A well run organization like Tampa Bay crushes it. They draft ,develop, trade compete but ultimately success is short lived.No championships to show for it. Baltimore crushed it with huge amounts of talented position players and they're trending down. Answers are hard to come by unless you're a fan , then you know exactly what's wrong with no real knowledge lots of crystal ball gazing. Really what you just said is that drafting was just fine domestically and internationally if only the development people were better we would have crushed it ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 8 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: That's more of a guess than a point isn't it ? I mean do they suddenly get healthier ? Do coaches and trainers drill it into the poor dumb players heads to train the right way and injuries stop being so plentiful ? Did Robert forget everything that happened in 2023 ? Is he mentally defeated ? Physically defeated ? A combination platter ? Why is a 12th rounder like Baldwin hitting better than our 5 tool superstar for 1 year ? Why are a bunch of AAAA players just as good as Robert right now ? Maybe picking players who develop enough to make it to the majors is just mostly a crap shoot . Some organizations draft better some develop position players better.Some develop pitchers better. Most well run organizations spend a lot of money, more scouts, more coaches, more data miners, more trainers, more computers , more equipment , more sales people , more public relations people . A well run organizations like the Dodgers says screw it let's just buy the best players a lot more than they develop stars. A well run organization like Tampa Bay crushes it. They draft ,develop, trade compete but ultimately success is short lived.No championships to show for it. Baltimore crushed it with huge amounts of talented position players and they're trending down. Answers are hard to come by unless you're a fan , then you know exactly what's wrong with no real knowledge lots of crystal ball gazing. Really what you just said is that drafting was just fine domestically and internationally if only the development people were better we would have crushed it ! Brooks Baldwin has -.3 bWAR and is OPSing .650, so yeah he is hitting "better" than Robert but this is a real lousy point your making here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 23 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: That's more of a guess than a point isn't it ? I mean do they suddenly get healthier ? Do coaches and trainers drill it into the poor dumb players heads to train the right way and injuries stop being so plentiful ? Did Robert forget everything that happened in 2023 ? Is he mentally defeated ? Physically defeated ? A combination platter ? Why is a 12th rounder like Baldwin hitting better than our 5 tool superstar for 1 year ? Why are a bunch of AAAA players just as good as Robert right now ? Maybe picking players who develop enough to make it to the majors is just mostly a crap shoot . Some organizations draft better some develop position players better.Some develop pitchers better. Most well run organizations spend a lot of money, more scouts, more coaches, more data miners, more trainers, more computers , more equipment , more sales people , more public relations people . A well run organizations like the Dodgers says screw it let's just buy the best players a lot more than they develop stars. A well run organization like Tampa Bay crushes it. They draft ,develop, trade compete but ultimately success is short lived.No championships to show for it. Baltimore crushed it with huge amounts of talented position players and they're trending down. Answers are hard to come by unless you're a fan , then you know exactly what's wrong with no real knowledge lots of crystal ball gazing. Really what you just said is that drafting was just fine domestically and internationally if only the development people were better we would have crushed it ! I don't know Cali, but if they did, you and your retrospective crystal ball certainly would claim credit for predicting their ascent back in 2013 when Luis Robert was playing for Ciego de Ávila in the Cuban National Series. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Game gone final Sox win. Shane smith first ML win 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GreenSox Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: I mean, no there is no shame in being a back of the rotation starter in 2025. That is a super valuable resource, especially if they can go 150ish innings a season. But he has to a little bit less hittable to get there, and I think he can. He's never going to be great, but I can squint and see him yoyo-ing around a 4.5 era on an annual basis. What about short relief- harness what he has for a inning or 2 a few times a week. A lot of good reliever came via the starter path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Congrats to Smith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 2 hours ago, BigHurt3515 said: Schultz, Hagan Smith, Shane Smith, XXX, Martin Is a pretty good rotation if we can find another above average starter. Canon could still end up a 4 or 5. But regardless, they'll need a lot more starting depth than this. They'll need a bullpen too. And given the sorry results they get from drafting position players, it may be best to move one or both of the Smiths for young hitters...which would mean they need more hitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 34 minutes ago, GreenSox said: What about short relief- harness what he has for a inning or 2 a few times a week. A lot of good reliever came via the starter path. Right now we need starters. You can always shove him out there if he gets beaten out later. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 I guess it is fine to score three runs or less as long as you shut out the other team but the Twins starter wasn't that good and they could only get two runs off him. That's not very good is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 15 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: I guess it is fine to score three runs or less as long as you shut out the other team but the Twins starter wasn't that good and they could only get two runs off him. That's not very good is it? Didn’t seem like the most fun conditions to play in, so just take the W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Robert is the Barron von Trump of baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 With a crochet L today and a Smith win, the two pitchers now have the same winning percentage. I’m just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 (edited) So is Smith immediate trade bait if he keeps this up? Edited April 24 by baseball_gal_aly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 8 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said: So is Smith immediate trade bait if he keeps this up? What? Why? We own him for six year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 (edited) 13 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: What? Why? We own him for six year. because they're that far away from doing anything I consider anyone currently in the system potential trade bait. A 30 game improvement from last year is still 90 losses. Edited April 24 by baseball_gal_aly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 16 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said: because they're that far away from doing anything I consider anyone currently in the system potential trade bait. A 30 game improvement from last year is still 90 losses. You do realize that would make them even further away, right? Your logic is incredibly flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 (edited) 20 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: You do realize that would make them even further away, right? Your logic is incredibly flawed. How are they going to score runs? I'll wait. Edited April 24 by baseball_gal_aly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 31 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said: because they're that far away from doing anything I consider anyone currently in the system potential trade bait. A 30 game improvement from last year is still 90 losses. He’s 25. They may as well trade Meidroth right now then too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 (edited) 24 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: He’s 25. They may as well trade Meidroth right now then too. Yeah, whenever he establishes himself. Edited April 24 by baseball_gal_aly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 57 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said: because they're that far away from doing anything I consider anyone currently in the system potential trade bait. A 30 game improvement from last year is still 90 losses. Then you trade him in 2 or 3 years when you know better what you need vs literally everything now, including starting pitching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 1 hour ago, baseball_gal_aly said: So is Smith immediate trade bait if he keeps this up? Trading him before the 2026 deadline would be premature. I dont think he'd garner enough in return without a longer track record. I have no idea how they are going to bridge the chasm between now and when anyone they can draft & develop could be ready, but trading Smith doesnt really solve any of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 1 hour ago, baseball_gal_aly said: because they're that far away from doing anything I consider anyone currently in the system potential trade bait. A 30 game improvement from last year is still 90 losses. We have no idea who’s going to continue to develop and stay healthy and who might implode. Us Sox fans should know that better than anyone. Just keep trying to stockpile players who can provide a positive WAR. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 49 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said: How are they going to score runs? I'll wait. Draft and develop players, hopefully. Sign free agents, hopefully. Trading close major leaguers for less close major leaguers is insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 (edited) Only players you rush to trade are closers before your contention window opens up fully...yes more cliches/adages. As for Cali...until Quero Meidroth Baldwin Vargas Sosa put up at least a 725 ops for one season...hard to declare any early victories, let alone diagnose Robert. Edited April 24 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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