ptatc Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 6 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said: I think the pressure has shifted and is now on IL officials to get a deal done or at least to demonstrate that the Bears' request is completely unreasonable. The highest any stadium pays in taxes as far as I know is SoFi stadium. If IL is holding out to stick the Bears with a $100M property tax bill, they'll end up with nothing. They aren't going to get $100M in taxes on that property when they carve it up to build a bunch of Costcos, car washes, apartment complexes, etc. It's an election year and there will be a lot of egg on people's faces - including the Governor - if the Bears sign a deal to move to Indiana after they offered to pay $2B for the stadium itself here. The Hoosier State will have a field day saying it's another example of people fleeing IL's high taxes....and that's why IN politicians from both sides of the aisle are eager to pass this quickly. But Pritzger can say he didn't give in to the billionaires when he runs for President. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 If the Bears are running into this much resistance even with them offering to pay for the entire stadium, what does this mean for any chance of the Sox getting a stadium built at the 78....or even on the site of Old Comiskey? Certainly Ishbia will have to privately finance the entire cost of any new stadium. That might not be out of the question given his and his brother's deep pockets. But will state officials balk at any property tax relief or infrastructure spending for the Sox like they're doing with the Bears? Some of the Bears situation might be due to state reps from Chicago who want to kill the Arlington Heights project because the Bears will be leaving the city limits. Also, the debt on Soldier Field is immensely larger than the one on Rate Field. But the Bears are wayyyy more popular than the White Sox, so I don't expect anyone going out of their way to help the Sox get a stadium built. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 5 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said: If the Bears are running into this much resistance even with them offering to pay for the entire stadium, what does this mean for any chance of the Sox getting a stadium built at the 78....or even on the site of Old Comiskey? Certainly Ishbia will have to privately finance the entire cost of any new stadium. That might not be out of the question given his and his brother's deep pockets. But will state officials balk at any property tax relief or infrastructure spending for the Sox like they're doing with the Bears? Some of the Bears situation might be due to state reps from Chicago who want to kill the Arlington Heights project because the Bears will be leaving the city limits. Also, the debt on Soldier Field is immensely larger than the one on Rate Field. But the Bears are wayyyy more popular than the White Sox, so I don't expect anyone going out of their way to help the Sox get a stadium built. It's a fight over property taxes more than anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 5 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said: If the Bears are running into this much resistance even with them offering to pay for the entire stadium, what does this mean for any chance of the Sox getting a stadium built at the 78....or even on the site of Old Comiskey? Certainly Ishbia will have to privately finance the entire cost of any new stadium. That might not be out of the question given his and his brother's deep pockets. But will state officials balk at any property tax relief or infrastructure spending for the Sox like they're doing with the Bears? Some of the Bears situation might be due to state reps from Chicago who want to kill the Arlington Heights project because the Bears will be leaving the city limits. Also, the debt on Soldier Field is immensely larger than the one on Rate Field. But the Bears are wayyyy more popular than the White Sox, so I don't expect anyone going out of their way to help the Sox get a stadium built. If the state is balking to this level for the Bears, it makes me think the Sox won't be going anywhere but across 35th street again. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 The White Sox will not need a new stadium for at least another decade and when they eventually need one, it sure as fvk is not going to be at the "78." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 3 hours ago, Tnetennba said: If the state is balking to this level for the Bears, it makes me think the Sox won't be going anywhere but across 35th street again. It's 100% on what Ishbia wants to pay for. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted Friday at 02:53 PM Share Posted Friday at 02:53 PM 19 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said: I think the pressure has shifted and is now on IL officials to get a deal done or at least to demonstrate that the Bears' request is completely unreasonable. The highest any stadium pays in taxes as far as I know is SoFi stadium. If IL is holding out to stick the Bears with a $100M property tax bill, they'll end up with nothing. They aren't going to get $100M in taxes on that property when they carve it up to build a bunch of Costcos, car washes, apartment complexes, etc. It's an election year and there will be a lot of egg on people's faces - including the Governor - if the Bears sign a deal to move to Indiana after they offered to pay $2B for the stadium itself here. The Hoosier State will have a field day saying it's another example of people fleeing IL's high taxes....and that's why IN politicians from both sides of the aisle are eager to pass this quickly. Elections in IL are joke. Nobody is losing their election as long at the teachers unions are properly catered to and they are. This is pure ego trip Warren v state legislators. Maybe George crumbles but the Indiana cost certainty outweighs the larger debt and Bears risk in Arlington Heights. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted Friday at 04:12 PM Share Posted Friday at 04:12 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, Harry Chappas said: Elections in IL are joke. Nobody is losing their election as long at the teachers unions are properly catered to and they are. This is pure ego trip Warren v state legislators. Maybe George crumbles but the Indiana cost certainty outweighs the larger debt and Bears risk in Arlington Heights. Issue: Bears could choose Indiana over Illinois for their new stadium. Response: ThE TeAcHeRs UnIoNs ArE to BlAmE!!!!!! ThEy CoNtRoL IL ElEcTiOns!!!!!!! Edited Friday at 04:13 PM by 77 Hitmen 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted Friday at 04:17 PM Share Posted Friday at 04:17 PM (edited) Interesting discussion with Laurence Holmes on WGN TV with Tahman Bradley about the Bears stadium IL vs. IN saga: https://wgntv.com/video/104-3-the-scores-laurence-holmes-talks-bears-potential-move-to-indiana-the-point/11496735/ A few takeaways if you don't want to watch the 10 minute video: - Bears stadium deal with IL was a lot closer to being done than Bears were leading people to believe - IL officials surprised by the timing of Warren's letter given the progress they've made - Warren/Bears didn't have a good understanding of city/county/state politics officials and that hurt their progress. They have a better understanding now. - Holmes thinks a deal for AH will get done, but the chances of them moving to Indiana are not zero. Edited Friday at 06:01 PM by 77 Hitmen 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted Saturday at 02:15 PM Share Posted Saturday at 02:15 PM I read where the owners of the Arlington Heights racetrack paid $3 million a year in property taxes. I read where the Bears are now paying $16 million a year in property taxes at that site now. Its now being said that if the Bears build their stadium in Arlington Heights the property taxes will be anywhere between $100 and $200 million dollars yearly. How is that possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted Saturday at 02:38 PM Share Posted Saturday at 02:38 PM 24 minutes ago, WBWSF said: I read where the owners of the Arlington Heights racetrack paid $3 million a year in property taxes. I read where the Bears are now paying $16 million a year in property taxes at that site now. Its now being said that if the Bears build their stadium in Arlington Heights the property taxes will be anywhere between $100 and $200 million dollars yearly. How is that possible? It's not possible and probably why they will be in Indiana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted Saturday at 02:55 PM Share Posted Saturday at 02:55 PM (edited) 49 minutes ago, WBWSF said: I read where the owners of the Arlington Heights racetrack paid $3 million a year in property taxes. I read where the Bears are now paying $16 million a year in property taxes at that site now. Its now being said that if the Bears build their stadium in Arlington Heights the property taxes will be anywhere between $100 and $200 million dollars yearly. How is that possible? The Bears currently pay $3.6 million in property tax in AH. They are playing games trying to win over the public. When all developed, the tax on the entire development will probably be more than $100 million abd the Bears want everyone to focus on that even though they won't be owning the entire parcel when that happens. What they are crying about is basically about what they will be paying Caleb Williiams almost per gane when this thing gets built. Edited Saturday at 03:04 PM by Dick Allen 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted Saturday at 03:25 PM Share Posted Saturday at 03:25 PM 28 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: The Bears currently pay $3.6 million in property tax in AH. They are playing games trying to win over the public. When all developed, the tax on the entire development will probably be more than $100 million abd the Bears want everyone to focus on that even though they won't be owning the entire parcel when that happens. What they are crying about is basically about what they will be paying Caleb Williiams almost per gane when this thing gets built. Thats not not what the Mayor of Arlington Heights said in the interview. He said the property tax was 2 million for the operating racetrack and 16 million for the empty lot. Also said the United center pays 6 million. Where did you get the 3.6 number? Interesting to see if the Mayor is making up numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted Saturday at 03:49 PM Share Posted Saturday at 03:49 PM On 2/6/2026 at 8:53 AM, Harry Chappas said: Elections in IL are joke. Nobody is losing their election as long at the teachers unions are properly catered to and they are. This is pure ego trip Warren v state legislators. Maybe George crumbles but the Indiana cost certainty outweighs the larger debt and Bears risk in Arlington Heights. If teacher’s unions have this much power, I should make way more money. 4 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Saturday at 03:52 PM Share Posted Saturday at 03:52 PM 1 hour ago, WBWSF said: I read where the owners of the Arlington Heights racetrack paid $3 million a year in property taxes. I read where the Bears are now paying $16 million a year in property taxes at that site now. Its now being said that if the Bears build their stadium in Arlington Heights the property taxes will be anywhere between $100 and $200 million dollars yearly. How is that possible? Because undeveloped (which it is now) vs developed is very different valuations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted Saturday at 04:10 PM Share Posted Saturday at 04:10 PM 23 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: If teacher’s unions have this much power, I should make way more money. Me too! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted Saturday at 05:10 PM Share Posted Saturday at 05:10 PM 1 hour ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: If teacher’s unions have this much power, I should make way more money. 75% of your salary when you retire ain’t bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted Saturday at 05:22 PM Share Posted Saturday at 05:22 PM 1 hour ago, ptatc said: Thats not not what the Mayor of Arlington Heights said in the interview. He said the property tax was 2 million for the operating racetrack and 16 million for the empty lot. Also said the United center pays 6 million. Where did you get the 3.6 number? Interesting to see if the Mayor is making up numbers. https://www.lowermytaxes.com/blog/village-of-arlington-heights-and-taxing-districts-agree-to-tax-bill-with-bears/#:~:text=During the middle of December,the former Arlington International Racecourse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted Saturday at 05:27 PM Share Posted Saturday at 05:27 PM 17 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: 75% of your salary when you retire ain’t bad. I pay into it bi-weekly. Hopefully Illinois politicians don't spend it all before I retire. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted Saturday at 05:33 PM Share Posted Saturday at 05:33 PM 7 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I pay into it bi-weekly. Hopefully Illinois politicians don't spend it all before I retire. They have already spent it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Line Posted Saturday at 05:39 PM Share Posted Saturday at 05:39 PM (edited) 14 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I pay into it bi-weekly. Hopefully Illinois politicians don't spend it all before I retire. Dont worry you'll get yours, its the rest of us that foot the bill. Also pretty much everyone pays into their retirement bi weekly (if they get the opportunity to at all) Edited Saturday at 05:40 PM by Green Line 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted Saturday at 05:42 PM Share Posted Saturday at 05:42 PM 9 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: They have already spent it. Good point. 2 minutes ago, Green Line said: Dont worry you'll get yours, its the rest of us that foot the bill. There's a big teacher shortage. Plenty of opportunities for you if we have it so great. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted Saturday at 05:43 PM Share Posted Saturday at 05:43 PM 10 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: They have already spent it. There’s always more money… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Saturday at 05:50 PM Share Posted Saturday at 05:50 PM 7 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: There’s always more money… Illinois has a flat tax, and a ridiculously low top rate. Allowing the state to raise the top rate would have solved a lot of problems and eased up on property tax hikes. But if we allow the government to raise taxes on the rich, what's next, making us slaves?!? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted Saturday at 06:46 PM Share Posted Saturday at 06:46 PM JFC this really turned into a “teachers have it easy” thread? 3 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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