Robert Option Picked Up

[WhiteSox2023]

13 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

If anyone thought the White Sox would pay money to trade Robert when they just. Outdid have let him go for nothing, haven’t paid attention. That JR won’t kick in money is not news.

I had a glimmer of hope that once Getz convinced Jerry to approve picking up Robert’s option at the trade deadline, that JR may also be willing to eat some of the salary since Robert is one of their last remaining trade chips.  It looks like I gave Jerry too much credit.

Edited yesterday at 08:05 AM by WhiteSox2023

[caulfield12]

2 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I assumed that once Getz convinced Jerry to approve picking up Robert’s option at the trade deadline, that JR may also willing to eat some of the salary since Robert is one of their last remaining trade chips.  It looks like I gave Jerry too much credit.

You could probably come up with only 2-3 examples over 40+ years where JR willingly ate more money to get top flight talent back.  Just dumping contracts for negligible paper returns in prospects, sure.  That has happened.

Erik Johnson and roughly 35-40% of Shields' salary subsidized should have been enough to consummate an escape for a player whose ownership had decided he must be traded...but JR nevertheless wanted to get even more money back and therefore lost HUNDREDS of million in value as a result of that deal.  Talk about wasting leverage for a team already facing from contention.

[Dick Allen]

12 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I had a glimmer of hope that once Getz convinced Jerry to approve picking up Robert’s option at the trade deadline, that JR may also be willing to eat some of the salary since Robert is one of their last remaining trade chips.  It looks like I gave Jerry too much credit.

Of course. Plus, if they couldn’t get anything they wanted for him then, why would they get anything they wanted for him now with yet another injury? The only way they come out ahead is if he stays healthy and plays his ass off until the next trade deadline. He has the ability to do that, but it’s crazy to bet $20 million on it when $20 million to the White Sox seems a lot more than it does for most teams.

Edited yesterday at 08:14 AM by Dick Allen

[caulfield12]

10 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Of course. Plus, if they couldn’t get anything they wanted for him then, why would they get anything they wanted for him now with yet another injury? The only way they come on ahead is if he stays healthy and plays his ass off until the next trade deadline. He has the ability to do that, but it’s crazy to bet $20 million on it when $20 million to the White Sox seems a lot more than it does for most teams.

For the Dodgers it's just a write off like Conforto last year by the end of the season.

Cost of doing business.

For the White Sox, it's life and death to wring the last possible drop of value out of Benintendi and Robert.  

Which is absolutely crazy having watched Rodon Abreu Anderson Jimenez Moncada Lynn Keuchel Kelly Graveman and Hendriks all leave with almost nothing to show in return or still owing money.

The ill-advised Kimbrel QO, in fact, led directly to Pollock and then to Benintendi's ghastly crippling contract.

Same with Burger and Vaughn in the end.

 

Well there was Giolito/Quero and Crochet out of that entire 2021 cycle of players.

(And no comment on the Cease deal is necessary.)

Edited yesterday at 08:25 AM by caulfield12

[PaleAleSox]

Give Ishbia the team already you cheap asshole. 

[Y2Jimmy0]

7 hours ago, WestEddy said:

the NYPost regularly trots out pro-[certain president] BS, so why are we assuming their sports coverage is beyond reproach? Imma gonna wait until they report on actual names and amounts before I pretend to get mad. The end. 

Jon Heyman has a direct line to Scott Boras and his clients. No reason to question this. 

3 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

If anyone thought the White Sox would pay money to trade Robert when they just. Outdid have let him go for nothing, haven’t paid attention. That JR won’t kick in money is not news.

Well I was hoping because they’re actually running the org like a more modern one finally. Spending on draft, spending internationally, hiring tons of qualified people from outside etc. 

[Chicago White Sox]

Not to defend Jerry as he sucks major you know what, but has anyone read the actual article and able to summarize what is fact vs. speculation?  All I’m able to see is Heyman stating Jerry may be unwilling to give Steve Cohen money, not that he won’t and not that he won’t give money to teams in general.  If you recall, Jerry hates the ever living f*** out of Steve Cohen.  This may just be some billionaire beef as last offseason it sounded like the Sox were willing to eat some money in discussions with the Reds.  Obviously I have no idea what is true here, but find it hard to believe that Getz picks up the $20M option if he didn’t have the authority to eat some it in most cases.

[Bob Sacamano]

2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Not to defend Jerry as he sucks major you know what, but has anyone read the actual article and able to summarize what is fact vs. speculation?  All I’m able to see is Heyman stating Jerry may be unwilling to give Steve Cohen money, not that he won’t and not that he won’t give money to teams in general.  If you recall, Jerry hates the ever living f*** out of Steve Cohen.  This may just be some billionaire beef as last offseason it sounded like the Sox were willing to eat some money in discussions with the Reds.  Obviously I have no idea what is true here, but find it hard to believe that Getz picks up the $20M option if he didn’t have the authority to eat some it in most cases.

Good point

[WhiteSox2023]

2 hours ago, PaleAleSox said:

Give Ishbia the team already you cheap asshole. 

NBC Sports knows what’s up…

”Jon Heyman of the New York Post reports that the Mets have “checked in” on a potential trade for Luis Robert Jr.

Robert has been the subject of trade speculation over the last few years, but it appears this winter we might see the White Sox actually pull the trigger. The Mets would make sense, but Heyman notes that in order for New York to give up their top prospects, the White Sox would need to send some cash back. That’s not a very Jerry Reinsdorf thing to do. The Padres have also been mentioned as a potential landing spot for Robert, among others.“

Edited yesterday at 02:28 PM by WhiteSox2023

[southsider2k5]

8 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

NBC Sports knows what’s up…

”Jon Heyman of the New York Post reports that the Mets have “checked in” on a potential trade for Luis Robert Jr.

Robert has been the subject of trade speculation over the last few years, but it appears this winter we might see the White Sox actually pull the trigger. The Mets would make sense, but Heyman notes that in order for New York to give up their top prospects, the White Sox would need to send some cash back. That’s not a very Jerry Reinsdorf thing to do. The Padres have also been mentioned as a potential landing spot for Robert, among others.“

The Sox can get top prospects if Jerry gives up cash, which is exactly what they turned down last winter from Cincy.  

[Timmy U]

I think I'm in the minority here, but I would prefer to watch Luis Robert steal some bases, play good defense and strike out a ton than to watch a lesser player like Pereira just strike out a ton and Jerry get $20 million. You know that if Luis is traded, the team is just gonna pocket the cash. 

[WhiteSox2023]

17 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

I think I'm in the minority here, but I would prefer to watch Luis Robert steal some bases, play good defense and strike out a ton than to watch a lesser player like Pereira just strike out a ton and Jerry get $20 million. You know that if Luis is traded, the team is just gonna pocket the cash. 

Watch him lead the team to a .500 record at best and leave via his buyout?  What is the point in that?  May as well get something for him for the future and before he inevitably gets injured again, even if it is a lesser return.

Edited yesterday at 04:45 PM by WhiteSox2023

[Bob Sacamano]

9 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

I think I'm in the minority here, but I would prefer to watch Luis Robert steal some bases, play good defense and strike out a ton than to watch a lesser player like Pereira just strike out a ton and Jerry get $20 million. You know that if Luis is traded, the team is just gonna pocket the cash. 

He’s just as likely to miss a chunk of the season and not do those things as he is to do those things.

[southsider2k5]

12 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

I think I'm in the minority here, but I would prefer to watch Luis Robert steal some bases, play good defense and strike out a ton than to watch a lesser player like Pereira just strike out a ton and Jerry get $20 million. You know that if Luis is traded, the team is just gonna pocket the cash. 

The HOPE is they pick up 18 to 24 years worth of control of players who WILL be around for the next decent team.

[The Mighty Mite]

5 hours ago, PaleAleSox said:

Give Ishbia the team already you cheap asshole. 

Amen.

[Timmy U]

6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

The HOPE is they pick up 18 to 24 years worth of control of players who WILL be around for the next decent team.

I guess, but with Reinsdorf refusing to kick in cash, they'll probably get years of control of marginal big leaguers.  Not sure if I care about getting a bulk of Tanner Murrays. I just don't want they're payroll to slip below $70 million.

[WestEddy]

9 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Jerry is a noted cheapskate of an owner and it has nothing to do with the political slant of a newspaper/website.  Not one Sox fan should be surprised by news like this.  The same time Jerry is slashing the payroll to extreme lows is probably not the time to question this news.  And Jerry is the one who thinks he is beyond reproach.

I would like to know what prospects the Mets wanted the Sox to pay down Robert's contract for. Any time is the right time to question the NYPost's reporting. 

[WhiteSox2023]

10 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I would like to know what prospects the Mets wanted the Sox to pay down Robert's contract for. Any time is the right time to question the NYPost's reporting. 

The author is Jon Heyman so it’s basically the same stuff he would tweet out.  I don’t think there is any question that the Sox could get better prospect(s) if they pay some of Robert’s contract.  Robert looks pretty good at $10 million.  Not so much at $20.  I guess we will find out eventually when he is traded if Jerry is willing to include money for a better return.

[Whisox05]

 

supposedly sox are willing to include money in trade with Robert. Behind a pay wallet but others read it

[almagest]

5 minutes ago, Whisox05 said:

 

supposedly sox are willing to include money in trade with Robert. Behind a pay wallet but others read it

“To make such a deal happen, the White Sox almost certainly would need to include cash to make Robert more affordable. They are open to doing that as a way of enhancing the return, according to a club official.”

It also talks about how the Mets don’t want to trade any of their good prospects and would likely only offer a marginal return for Robert.

[Sleepy Harold]

6 minutes ago, almagest said:

“To make such a deal happen, the White Sox almost certainly would need to include cash to make Robert more affordable. They are open to doing that as a way of enhancing the return, according to a club official.”

It also talks about how the Mets don’t want to trade any of their good prospects and would likely only offer a marginal return for Robert.

 

Quote

The Boston Red Sox have shown repeated interest in reacquiring catcher Kyle Teel from the Chicago White Sox, as first reported by MassLive.com’s Sean McAdam.

 

The White Sox, with no interest in trading Teel, have shut down every inquiry. They have no desire to trade an athletic, left-handed-hitting catcher who can control the strike zone and run.

 

Teel, who turns 24 in February, was part of Chicago’s four-player return for left-hander Garrett Crochet one year ago.

This was also mentioned in the piece. Obviously not Robert related, but notable nonetheless. 

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, almagest said:

“To make such a deal happen, the White Sox almost certainly would need to include cash to make Robert more affordable. They are open to doing that as a way of enhancing the return, according to a club official.”

It also talks about how the Mets don’t want to trade any of their good prospects and would likely only offer a marginal return for Robert.

This retort from Rosenthal about Sox sending money along came quickly.

Probably means $5-7 million, so what was the point of the option in the first place if that's how much they need to send the other way?

Is his value even a projected 2 fWAR to other teams...?

 

Or are they going to get back the equivalent useless contract...like an AJ Pollock, after QOing Kimbrel?

Sigh.

[caulfield12]

Let's repeat.

The NYPost political/opinion conservative bent has nothing at all to do with their sports reporting...which is 100 times more informative and comprehensive than the Trib or Sun-Times now.  Each day there are at least three separate original stories on issues of sporting interest, both NY ones and nationally-focused.

Edited 16 hours ago by caulfield12

[Chicago White Sox]

 

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

This retort from Rosenthal about Sox sending money along came quickly.

Probably means $5-7 million, so what was the point of the option in the first place if that's how much they need to send the other way?

Is his value even a projected 2 fWAR to other teams...?

 

Or are they going to get back the equivalent useless contract...like an AJ Pollock, after QOing Kimbrel?

Sigh.

You’re looking for reasons to be negative it appears

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said:

 

You’re looking for reasons to be negative it appears

How do you see Getz saving face now unless it means the Sox take the risk of wasting all $20 million going into the regular season with Robert?

Is the prospect going to be so amazing it's worth losing 3-4 months of at bats for?

Edited 13 hours ago by caulfield12