5 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

Everyone get their notebooks and pencils, “Private Equity 102” has begun.  In this class you will learn that calling Jerry cheap is actually a stereotype but you will also learn that you don’t know anything about Ishbia.  But Tray knows.  And it’s bad 

If you like "Private Equity 102", make sure to also sign up for "Soil Engineering 102".

16 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:

If you like "Private Equity 102", make sure to also sign up for "Soil Engineering 102".

I’m still in the middle of “Chicago Geography: You don’t even live here! 101”

20 hours ago, WestEddy said:

There was a guy who wrote for FutureSox about 10 years ago. He wrote a scathing column about how there's just too much information available to the average fan, and they don't know how to process it. Minor league free agency, low level depth trades, Rule 5 protection, once this information became widely available in the internet, people would start screaming over every move. Not protecting Jordan Guerrero from a Rule 5 draft (he was never drafted) or sending Jake Peter to the Dodgers in a 3-way for Joachim Soria caused "is this a sauce or condiment" level melees on forums. 

Guys who never did or would do anything suddenly became very important depth pieces that never should have been moved. 

I think this carries on today. Every single quote gets parsed, and we all must feel embarrassed by it. That's some malarkey. 

Its easy enough to hold a grudge against JR. He deserves it ,but to pretend he's some kind of fool when it comes to there being advantages to signing a Japanese superstar is ludicrous. 

He graduated Northwestern Law School. Worked for the IRS and then went into private practice.

He became known as an expert in real estate partnership tax shelters.

Then he formed Balcor, a company that raised significant capital for real estate investments.  

After around 10 years doing that he bought the Sox in 1981 and in 1982 sold his stake in Balcor to Shearson Lehman Brothers (American Express's investment arm). He bought the Bulls in 1985. 

He was also the architect of giving the Ishbia's a clear path to go from a Sox minority owner to primary owner rather than them owning the  Minnesota Twins. 

Everything JR has ever done he viewed as an investment opportunity, including the Sox which never aligned with building winning teams. He never was the kind of guy who spends money to make money. He was mostly a facilitator to get others to invest in his projects because of his vast knowledge creating real estate tax shelters. He's extremely shrewd and used tax laws to his and his investors advantage. Fans spending would usually equate to JR spending, never the other way around. That was the main problem. Sox fans were more blue collar than white collars investors.

Fans and JR wanted the other one to spend 1st. It's always been a stalemate and without investing in player development they never could maintain the level of success that might have provided a strong return on investment for the fans or JR's satisfaction.

 

38 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

I’m still in the middle of “Chicago Geography: You don’t even live here! 101”

That prof is something special.  

4 hours ago, Ducksnort said:

So, they need to get Blue Moon as a sponsor, put a literal moon somewhere on the concourse, and every time Mune hits a bomb its called a "moon" shot and the moon lights up or something.

Blue Moon is a Molson Coors product. Is rate field a Miller/Coors venue? 

Edited December 31, 2025Dec 31 by Eminor3rd

19 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Its easy enough to hold a grudge against JR. He deserves it ,but to pretend he's some kind of fool when it comes to there being advantages to signing a Japanese superstar is ludicrous. 

He graduated Northwestern Law School. Worked for the IRS and then went into private practice.

He became known as an expert in real estate partnership tax shelters.

Then he formed Balcor, a company that raised significant capital for real estate investments.  

After around 10 years doing that he bought the Sox in 1981 and in 1982 sold his stake in Balcor to Shearson Lehman Brothers (American Express's investment arm). He bought the Bulls in 1985. 

He was also the architect of giving the Ishbia's a clear path to go from a Sox minority owner to primary owner rather than them owning the  Minnesota Twins. 

Everything JR has ever done he viewed as an investment opportunity, including the Sox which never aligned with building winning teams. He never was the kind of guy who spends money to make money. He was mostly a facilitator to get others to invest in his projects because of his vast knowledge creating real estate tax shelters. He's extremely shrewd and used tax laws to his and his investors advantage. Fans spending would usually equate to JR spending, never the other way around. That was the main problem. Sox fans were more blue collar than white collars investors.

Fans and JR wanted the other one to spend 1st. It's always been a stalemate and without investing in player development they never could maintain the level of success that might have provided a strong return on investment for the fans or JR's satisfaction.

 

Getz said that he and Boyer literally had to talk about why signing him made sense for those reasons.

13 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Getz said that he and Boyer literally had to talk about why signing him made sense for those reasons.

Not to mention that we are talking about $40 million after all of that work.  $40 million.  Looking up the biggest contracts in MLB history, there the 50th biggest is $168 million.  The Sox are still about $100 million behind that.  Cotts listed the 173 biggest contracts in MLB history... And the Sox are STILL $15 million behind that mark.  This meme that we should be thrilled to be getting MLBs scraps, and should just shut up and take it, is wild.

54 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Its easy enough to hold a grudge against JR. He deserves it ,but to pretend he's some kind of fool when it comes to there being advantages to signing a Japanese superstar is ludicrous. 

He graduated Northwestern Law School. Worked for the IRS and then went into private practice.

He became known as an expert in real estate partnership tax shelters.

Then he formed Balcor, a company that raised significant capital for real estate investments.  

After around 10 years doing that he bought the Sox in 1981 and in 1982 sold his stake in Balcor to Shearson Lehman Brothers (American Express's investment arm). He bought the Bulls in 1985. 

He was also the architect of giving the Ishbia's a clear path to go from a Sox minority owner to primary owner rather than them owning the  Minnesota Twins. 

Everything JR has ever done he viewed as an investment opportunity, including the Sox which never aligned with building winning teams. He never was the kind of guy who spends money to make money. He was mostly a facilitator to get others to invest in his projects because of his vast knowledge creating real estate tax shelters. He's extremely shrewd and used tax laws to his and his investors advantage. Fans spending would usually equate to JR spending, never the other way around. That was the main problem. Sox fans were more blue collar than white collars investors.

Fans and JR wanted the other one to spend 1st. It's always been a stalemate and without investing in player development they never could maintain the level of success that might have provided a strong return on investment for the fans or JR's satisfaction.

 

JR has always said his "philosophy" for wont of a better word is OPM (Other Peoples Money)

53 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Its easy enough to hold a grudge against JR. He deserves it ,but to pretend he's some kind of fool when it comes to there being advantages to signing a Japanese superstar is ludicrous. 

He graduated Northwestern Law School. Worked for the IRS and then went into private practice.

He became known as an expert in real estate partnership tax shelters.

Then he formed Balcor, a company that raised significant capital for real estate investments.  

After around 10 years doing that he bought the Sox in 1981 and in 1982 sold his stake in Balcor to Shearson Lehman Brothers (American Express's investment arm). He bought the Bulls in 1985. 

He was also the architect of giving the Ishbia's a clear path to go from a Sox minority owner to primary owner rather than them owning the  Minnesota Twins. 

Everything JR has ever done he viewed as an investment opportunity, including the Sox which never aligned with building winning teams. He never was the kind of guy who spends money to make money. He was mostly a facilitator to get others to invest in his projects because of his vast knowledge creating real estate tax shelters. He's extremely shrewd and used tax laws to his and his investors advantage. Fans spending would usually equate to JR spending, never the other way around. That was the main problem. Sox fans were more blue collar than white collars investors.

Fans and JR wanted the other one to spend 1st. It's always been a stalemate and without investing in player development they never could maintain the level of success that might have provided a strong return on investment for the fans or JR's satisfaction.

 

The underlined portion sort of negates the initial bolded portion, no?

56 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said:

Blue Moon is a Molson Coors product. Is rate field a Miller/Coors venue? 

 

 

Miller Lite can top right

3 minutes ago, DoUEvenShift said:

 

 

Miller Lite can top right

Alright, viable then

54 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said:

Alright, viable then

Just remember, they took the goose from us after like 1 season.  THE BLUE MOON AINT GONNA BE PERMANENT

15 hours ago, JoeC said:

The underlined portion sort of negates the initial bolded portion, no?

No. JR is a bad baseball owner no one has to make up s%*# to make that true. Being a bad owner doesnt mean he's stupid .

I would think JR was just getting up to speed on kind of things he might need to work on. What are our analytic guys & coaches intial thoughts on how to help him become a effective MLB hitter ? Since a lot of teams didnt sign him because of holes in his swing then the Sox need a plan to turn him into our version of Thome or Schwarber wouldnt they ? Do you know the specifics of that. No ? Neither does JR. He may have intially ok'd the money but after knowing the Sox won the bidding wanted to know more about him. Doesnt that seem logical ? 

16 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

JR has always said his "philosophy" for wont of a better word is OPM (Other Peoples Money)

So youre saying my assessment of his ownership is the truth and the conclusions I drew on why it doesnt work are  logical ,reasonable and accurate and devoid of any emotional narrative.

Edited January 1Jan 1 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

19 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Its easy enough to hold a grudge against JR. He deserves it ,but to pretend he's some kind of fool when it comes to there being advantages to signing a Japanese superstar is ludicrous. 

He graduated Northwestern Law School. Worked for the IRS and then went into private practice.

He became known as an expert in real estate partnership tax shelters.

Then he formed Balcor, a company that raised significant capital for real estate investments.  

After around 10 years doing that he bought the Sox in 1981 and in 1982 sold his stake in Balcor to Shearson Lehman Brothers (American Express's investment arm). He bought the Bulls in 1985. 

He was also the architect of giving the Ishbia's a clear path to go from a Sox minority owner to primary owner rather than them owning the  Minnesota Twins. 

Everything JR has ever done he viewed as an investment opportunity, including the Sox which never aligned with building winning teams. He never was the kind of guy who spends money to make money. He was mostly a facilitator to get others to invest in his projects because of his vast knowledge creating real estate tax shelters. He's extremely shrewd and used tax laws to his and his investors advantage. Fans spending would usually equate to JR spending, never the other way around. That was the main problem. Sox fans were more blue collar than white collars investors.

Fans and JR wanted the other one to spend 1st. It's always been a stalemate and without investing in player development they never could maintain the level of success that might have provided a strong return on investment for the fans or JR's satisfaction.

 

That’s all true, but JR is going to be 90 in a couple of months. He might still be sharp, he might not be. He most likely isn’t as smart as he used to be.

Fire him up with some TRT and peptides, and start playing 2005 highlights. 

23 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

That’s all true, but JR is going to be 90 in a couple of months. He might still be sharp, he might not be. He most likely isn’t as smart as he used to be.

That's all true and was taken into consideration. Until I hear that he's  incapable of running the franchise I will act as if he is still capable and his mental facilities are still sharp. All indications point to that still being the case. 

Come on Chris and Brooks! Give a hell of another pitch to Jerry!

No need for the idiotic politics unless people want to find somewhere else to post.  

Ignorance is bliss.

9 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

No need for the idiotic politics unless people want to find somewhere else to post.  

Bring down the hammer!

"Bad owner" for fans of the team. 
Great owner for investors. 
Very good owner for the other owners, although that has dropped the past ten years. 
Very good owner to non player employees. (Loyalty and job protection)
Average to above average owner for average players.
Well below average owner for superstars looking for appropriate contracts. 
Well above average for players and coaches with literally no other place to work. 
Average (big guess on my part) to neighboring businesses and the surrounding community. 

 

 

because we spent the money on Murakami with a special extension from Jerry... this now means the RF is Kelenic. Clear as day. And Pereira.

just little bits to round things out but we are now set

59 minutes ago, Fielder Jones said:

because we spent the money on Murakami with a special extension from Jerry... this now means the RF is Kelenic. Clear as day. And Pereira.

just little bits to round things out but we are now set

I wouldn’t be surprised if you are right.  Maybe they get a cheap starter and outfielder at the end of free agency.  I think they are going to hold out for free agents that can’t get an offer and have to accept a pittance.

Edited January 3Jan 3 by WhiteSox2023