LDF Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 12, 2015 -> 04:33 AM) The Reds have no motivation to keep him yes they to.... for spite. if they will not get what they want, they will keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Frazier is a fan favorite with two years of control left and a cheap salary. The Reds will be sellers at the trade deadline in '16 so they can always maximize Frazier's value at that time. It's a risk if Frazier tanks or gets injured but by no means are the Reds desperate to trade him. The Reds are in the driver's seat in a trade for Frazier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 10:36 PM) yes they to.... for spite. if they will not get what they want, they will keep him. Spite is not productive for the future of their franchise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 12, 2015 -> 05:46 AM) Spite is not productive for the future of their franchise what you said is very true, but sometimes i wonder what is on their mind in some of their decision making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Well they don't have to move him now. They can wait to see if a team is desperate come June and July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 08:57 PM) I like this for two reasons: 1) It shows that another team thinks really highly of Anderson 2) We can stand our ground and believe in Anderson I don't like it for one reason. I have more confidence in Todd Frazier having 2 years better than the 6 years from Anderson combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 12, 2015 -> 01:47 AM) I don't like it for one reason. I have more confidence in Todd Frazier having 2 years better than the 6 years from Anderson combined. Is there anything the Sox do that you like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 What would it take to get Frazier if we're not including Anderson? Get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 10:46 PM) Spite is not productive for the future of their franchise Neither is trading him for prospects that don't work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 12, 2015 -> 03:06 AM) What would it take to get Frazier if we're not including Anderson? Get it done. Not sure. They are rumored to want position players. The problem is the Sox just don't have much in the system to deal. Sox have a few guys at the top that are too much to deal for a guy like Frazier. I think the 15-30 range players in Sox system are similar to most teams. The problem is the back half of the top 10. Most teams trade from that inventory and the Sox just don't have those guys yet. Unless Cincy took something headlined by Avi, Micah, Montas, a trade probably can't happen. Edited December 12, 2015 by Y2JImmy0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 12, 2015 -> 09:14 AM) Not sure. They are rumored to want position players. The problem is the Sox just don't have much in the system to deal. Sox have a few guys at the top that are too much to deal for a guy like Frazier. I think the 15-30 range players in Sox system are similar to most teams. The problem is the back half of the top 10. Most teams trade from that inventory and the Sox just don't have those guys yet. Unless Cincy took something headlined by Avi, Micah, Montas, a trade probably can't happen. They'd have to include Trey M. as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 12, 2015 -> 09:16 AM) They'd have to include Trey M. as well. That's fine. I'd move something like Montas, Micah, and Trey for Frazier. Not sure that's the splash Cincinnati needs though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 I'm hoping they budge off their asking price, but why should they? He's still under contract at a good cost and they could move him at the deadline. I'm just not ready to move Anderson or Fulmer for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 12, 2015 -> 10:18 AM) That's fine. I'd move something like Montas, Micah, and Trey for Frazier. Not sure that's the splash Cincinnati needs though I bet that's the type of deal we've offered and they're balking at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtown518 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 13m13 minutes ago todd frazier @FlavaFraz21 talks heating up. chisox, Indians interested (& others listed in here) http://cbsprt.co/1QhhZy6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I've said it before, but I'm 100% behind a Frazier trade IF we can get him without giving up Anderson or Fulmer. That might be tough, but I still think we can put together an attractive package. Two arms (Montas, Adams, Johnson), Micah, and an OF prospect (May, Engel, Hawkins) or Avi might do it. I'm sure many would consider that an overpay, but you'd get one of the best 3B in baseball for two years at a below market rate (plus a comp pick when/if he leaves) while holding onto our two elite prospects. To me it's a no-brained if you can go out and also add one of the impact OFs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 14, 2015 -> 08:16 AM) I've said it before, but I'm 100% behind a Frazier trade IF we can get him without giving up Anderson or Fulmer. That might be tough, but I still think we can put together an attractive package. Two arms (Montas, Adams, Johnson), Micah, and an OF prospect (May, Engel, Hawkins) or Avi might do it. I'm sure many would consider that an overpay, but you'd get one of the best 3B in baseball for two years at a below market rate (plus a comp pick when/if he leaves) while holding onto our two elite prospects. To me it's a no-brained if you can go out and also add one of the impact OFs. Ahhhh gotta give to get. Just hope he wasn't a flash in the pan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Dec 14, 2015 -> 08:19 AM) Ahhhh gotta give to get. Just hope he wasn't a flash in the pan. Todd Frazier? Safe to say he's not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 01:20 PM) Todd Frazier certainly fits the mold of guys the Sox go after and then completely falls apart. The low contact guys just crush us. I can't help but feel the same way. I don't think I have a good reason, but Frazier just seems like a guy who is really useful because he's good at a ton of things, but he's just BARELY good at them individually, so he just feels like a tiny slip in a skill or two would be make a huge difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Frazier could also work as our backup 1B if they do find somebody to take LaRoche off our hands giving us a little more versatility on our bench instead of a guy that can just DH and play 1B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 IMO, if the Sox do trade for him either Micah or Lawrie are going to Cincinatti. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 14, 2015 -> 08:24 AM) I can't help but feel the same way. I don't think I have a good reason, but Frazier just seems like a guy who is really useful because he's good at a ton of things, but he's just BARELY good at them individually, so he just feels like a tiny slip in a skill or two would be make a huge difference. Yes, well said. Dude was gordon beckham 2nd half last year. Kinda dove off the 2nd half 2014 too. Sucks that we are going to trade some good prospects for another guy who Ks a ton. But I see the value too, he can be our homie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Dec 14, 2015 -> 08:30 AM) Yes, well said. Dude was gordon beckham 2nd half last year. Kinda dove off the 2nd half 2014 too. Sucks that we are going to trade some good prospects for another guy who Ks a ton. But I see the value too, he can be our homie. It's sort of like a "swing and a miss" or a "swing and a home run" type of trade. Much like Frazier when he hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 14, 2015 -> 08:32 AM) It's sort of like a "swing and a miss" or a "swing and a home run" type of trade. Much like Frazier when he hits. Indeed. Frazier + Cespedes and we're cookin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2015 -> 08:29 AM) IMO, if the Sox do trade for him either Micah or Lawrie are going to Cincinatti. I really dont believe this to be the case. Micah or Sanchez for sure, but i dont think they are gonna trade 2 prospects for Lawrie and then package him with other prospects for Frazier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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