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Again, why are you playing for one run with a tired bullpen? Ricky just needs to get the hell out of this organization.

They say if you type "Left Handed Hitter" three times in a row, Lillian will magically appear in your thread and respond to your post

Christ, you're argumentative. Yeah, he mixed up his words but his point was clear : move coop to a position of honor outside the day to day operations. Maybe pitching coach emeritus, maybe promotion to some new VP, whatever. Your twin act of belligerence and then insisting you're one of the most reasonable posters here is getting real tired mate.

They can't keep him down much longer

They should give him a promotion as a bday present.

I'm a guy who actually enjoys about 45% of your posts. You have a level of baseball experience most of us don't, and I enjoy that unique perspective. I don't want to see you be the next poster who is infamously known by a single name and automatically dismissed. But you get stuck in these pedantic, semantic, and/or circular battles, and seem to be unable to admit you ever even might be wrong, let alone that you are. The belligerence expresses itself in the fact that every post that disagrees with you turns into a 25 post slog of the same points over and over again. Stop playing dumb, you know you have a tendency to sink your teeth in to every single argument. When new points are there to present, that is fine and fun. Learn to let go though man. What is the point of spending time on here if everyone ignores you, which is unfortunately dangerously close to the truth right now.

https://www.milb.com/scores/whitesox/2019-08-03 Luis Robert turns 22 today

So was Engel

I agree with you all about Renteria. The two things he most controls, his decisions and the team's fundamentals - are both failing horribly. There's no basis for him to continue as manager of the White Sox. He doesn't deserve to keep his job.

or promote him to the pro scouting department.

For a team with so many DH type players on their roster, the Sox never seem to have a halfway decent DH in their lineup. Explain that one to me LOL!

What does that have to do with anything?

To tell u the truth, he should be fired (again) for the squeeze. You don't squeeze Eloy the gazillion dollar man when the team is buried in the standings. Eloy could get hurt on the squeeze which was unnecessary. I know you don't play scared, but even if I was tempted to squeeze I'd stop myself with slow/valuable Eloy on third.

I watched Fulmer busting butt down the line hustling his butt off trying to beat it out and I was impressed with him. I thought that's what sports is all about. Great effort. This is even though financially it makes no sense for him to hustle and possibly (probably since he did) get hurt and according to many fans who want to lose and continue tanking certainly makes no sense trying to beat it out in a game we were so close to losing and helping our draft position. In conclusion I applaud Fulmer for caring when nobody would have blamed him for loafing down the basepaths and staying healthy for a team going nowhere. His loafing could have been explained away that he's not used to running the basepaths and had trouble getting out of the box, etc. Kudos to Fulmer for trying to win when so many want the tank to cause L after L. TWTW really shows in a segment like that.

The only argument against the DH I’ll listen to is losing opportunities for Weird Baseball

This is the biggest “look at me” complete asshole thread. Why would mods not shut something like this down? Completely embarrassing. Let’s all make glorified personal gratification threads. They will proceed with no problem. What a fucking joke.

I enjoy the word "catch" in these conversations.

Per Sox Machine, Charlotte hitting coach Frank Menechino: “Nothing,” said Knights hitting coach Frank Menechino when asked what Robert has improved. “He hasn’t improved nor gotten better, he’s been the same since he’s got here. And that’s pretty good, right? How much is he going to improve with 200 at-bats in Triple A? I don’t know.” Pretty bold split from the party line

Well, I’m convinced. Puig sounds like a stand up guy and good teammate. “He is the worst person I've ever seen in this game," one ex-Dodger who believes Puig is beyond redemption said flatly. "Ever.” "I guarantee you they're trying to get rid of him," one source with a rival club said of Puig. "There's no question he's a problem. In my mind, he's a problem anywhere he goes. "He's Hanley Ramirez: He's a cancer on a ball club." https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2597460-is-there-anybody-left-in-los-angeles-whom-yasiel-puig-hasnt-alienated?utm_source=twitter.comScott Miller Puig argued with teammates over who should be allowed on a plane ride that typically includes wives and girlfriends. The subject of someone from Puig's entourage joining the traveling crew came up, and sources told Yahoo Sports that Puig argued with pitcher Zack Greinke and nearly came to blows with infielder Justin Turner over the matter. Passan also reports that a Dodgers player who asked to remain unnamed said trading Puig would be "addition by subtraction." https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/new-book-outlines-problems-between-yasiel-puig-teammates/amp/ (Game 2 of the 2017 World Series, Puig missed a critical catch) Puig wasn’t ready for the pitch and got a late jump. He was out of position, shaded too far toward center field. He often ignored the positioning card distributed to Dodgers defenders before games; according to six people familiar with the situation, he on several occasions ripped up the card in front of outfield coach George Lombard and left the pieces on the ground. In the eyes of Dodgers officials, Puig was unprepared at a time when negligence might mean the difference between a title and heartbreak. “There were always things like that,” manager Dave Roberts said one day this spring. “Taking plays off.” according to interviews with more than 20 current and former Dodgers, coaches and executives. Tardiness plagued Puig. His attention wavered. His preparation waned. He ran the bases with enough recklessness that teammates joked Puig thought he was invisible. He hassled staffers. He ignored suggestions from coaches. He rejected entreaties from teammates. The Dodgers utilize advanced metrics and lasers to guide their fielders. Puig believed he could read swings and trust his instincts. FanGraphs has rated him a below-average fielder for five of his six seasons, but Puig considered himself elite. That led to the positioning cards being torn up. “The hard part was he’d always have a knee-jerk reaction, and try to point out something that you did, a year ago,” Turner said. “Like, ‘Oh, you did this! It’s OK for you?’” Corey Seager shrugged his shoulders. He could not conjure a favorite story about Yasiel Puig. “Uh . . . not really,” Seager said. “Not really, without, like, bashing him.” For the Dodgers, the grievances had added up. Puig showed up late to meetings. He did not do the necessary work to prevent injury. He was uninterested in instruction. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/la-sp-yasiel-puig-dodgers-legacy-reds-20190414-story.html%3F_amp%3Dtrue

I’m praying this second half collapse is the lever that forces change. Even with more talent, Ricky will always be an obstacle we’ll have to overcome.

If they don't whack Renteria after game 162 they're not serious about winning.

RR has to be launched this winter

The one manager everyone expects would play the same style..but at least Moncada, Anderson and Madrigal would be tutored/mentored into Gold Glove-quality fielders, like he did with Alexei.

I don't understand why would play for a tie game on the road in the late innings in the first place...it’s that unwritten baseball rule, like never making first or third out at 3B.

Quite a few opposing announcers have questioned Ricky it seems. Stone took a bit of a shot at him too for that. Bunts with a slow ass runner at 3B (and he puts the steal on with slow ass runners instead of his fast guys not named Tim Anderson or he'll put hit and runs on and the hitters fail to execute). Just a joke of a manager.

Calling for a bunt with the infield in and a slow runner on third. That's a real head-scratcher.

You are putting a lot of confidence in Gabe Kapler with this statement

That error was pure laziness and technique. It's a forehand push through on the run. You get the mitt down. His mitt wasn't down far enough.

FWIW Tim grades out as average in DRS and only slightly below average in UZR. Moving him to the outfield would be dumb.

Have a feeling this will be a painful night to watch as a Sox fan. This lineup can’t touch Nola and it will be a miracle if Detwiler can get through any lineup 3 times without blowing up.

Idk how the Sox hitters can be so impatient year after year. It is almost like the org doesn't give a fuck about walking and making the opposing pitcher work for his outs. That's not even SABR stuff that's baseball 101 shit.

Yes it can. The subacromial bursa is the buffer between the supraspinatus tendon, one of the primary stabilizer of the glenohumeral joint/the primary rotator cuff muscle and the bone on top, the acromion. If those start to rub together it's going to limit the effectiveness and could easily cause a change in performance. It's a minor surgery as in he will return to pitching but how it changes the performance has yet to be seen. If you want to follow the kinematic chain, the shoulder issue could easily have caused the UCL injury. The bursa area (subacromial) is stressed with a higher arm angle. If it hurts pitchers tend to drop the arm angle which guess what....adds stress to the elbow. I still thinks the shoulder and elbow issues are tied to his poor follow through and deceleration (or lack thereof). However, it's certainly possible it was caused by the scenario I stated above.

Abreu night at The Bank!

Probably considering an outfielder was pitching. He hit a cannon to third though that should have been in the corner for a double. Calling up Covey though really is a fireable offense by whomever did it.

Fulmer should never have taken the bat off his shoulder.

Fulmer should've never batted in the first place. Had an OF pitching and Fulmer's pitch count was high (hasn't had that many pitches in a while). I honestly thought Jay was going to bat in that situation and Osich was going to come in afterwards. He probably wanted to save Osich but we saw that didn't work. I applaud Fulmer for busting his ass (he really wanted that hit) but as we saw with any pitcher, never a good idea.

Don't forget Lopez has seemed to rediscover his 2018 form and Cease is learning on the job. He just had his best start in the Majors. I think they'll end up in the 9-12 range when everyone gets healthy. Injuries are killing them. Not to mention there is a slim possibility Robert gets called up.

They're not mutually exclusive. The Sox were decimated by injuries this year. Had everyone been healthy all season, I think they would be hovering around .500 They've rarely had Moncada, Eloy and Anderson in the lineup simultaneously and on 8/31/2018 Rodon and Kopech were the Sox two best SP. That's hard to overcome. With all else being equal and perfect health, the Sox would probably finish somewhere in the range of 77 to 85 wins. As currently constituted, 78 wins is probably their ceiling, and they might reach it anyway. The 5-14 stretch they've been on since the ASB is the anomaly, not the 1st half. They're not actually this bad. They're probably a 74-79 win team but this stretch makes it look worse than it is. Anderson and Eloy are two of their 4 best offensive players and they were both out for a majority of that stretch. Abreu and Moncada couldn't do it all by themselves. It put extra pressure on the pitching staff, which lead to a cascading effect that ends up with a 19 game stretch where a team goes 5-14. Yes, I realize their Pythagorean W-L was always awful but that was when they'd have games where they'd lose by 10+ runs because scrubs like Covey, Santana et al were pitching in those games. Pythagorean W-L doesn't always tell the whole story, but it is useful over large sample sizes. It can be skewed by having a few really bad pitchers.

I could not imagine being a philly fan rn

The very definition of skullfuckery.

June? There is no reason at all to keep him down after the April deadline next season.

If so, he should see a therapist for all the self-hate he has about his chewing tobacco habits. Can't be healthy.

Well said.

I put Basabe ahead of Adolfo only because Adolfo is made of glass. No doubt though that he has by far the biggest tools and upside out of any prospect we have in the system not named Robert. If his arm is 100% again after TJS, it just enhances that. Flip flop Gonzalez and Rutherford too and that's my list.

One of my friends works for a company where someone had started, worked about a week, and then stopped showing up and they didn't hear from him. About 2 weeks go by and this guy sends the boss an email saying he thought he had another opportunity come up and was begging for his job back

I’ve been listening to MLB Radio all day and I’ve been in and out on 670 and ESPN Radio 1000. Out of the hours and hours I’ve been listening, I haven’t heard the White Sox mentioned at all. The irrelevancy is what kills me as a fan. No one cares. No one talks about us.

How on earth can anyone be optimistic there will be difference maker signings ? No one of that caliber wants to be bothered with Reinsdorf - Sox or Bulls. They'll do what they always do - play Reinsdorf to leverage better deals elsewhere.

Russel is black and Filipino. Don't make this something it's not. Ray Rice knocking his wife out on camera for example is a lot more powerful than what happened with Russel.