Bob Sacamano Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 08:51 AM) More info coming out, it appears the offers aren't good enough. Surprise. I'm sure they're getting offers that are good enough but apparently not to them. I assume a team has to be willing to deal at least a top prospect and a few lesser prospects. They're sights are too high if they expect to also get MLB pieces. Contending teams aren't looking to subtract from their roster. Edited December 20, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Honestly this is best case scenario. We didn't trade anything, we made our intention known, and if being with another team did matter to sign long-term, no other team is getting the chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Baltimore is just posturing again with the nonsense of they will take Machado off the market. BS. They know they will get less at the deadline and less than that if they have to settle for a comp pick next winter after he signs. Now ( last year would have been optimal )is their best chance of still getting a nice haul for Machado and Baltimore knows it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 I don't think they'll get less at the deadline. Probably get the same amount if not more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 I'd imagine more at the deadline as teams get more desperate to win. or see there window as winning now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (cjgalloway @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 09:32 AM) I'd imagine more at the deadline as teams get more desperate to win. or see there window as winning now I'd have to think more as well but I'm conflicted - but recent players (Darvish and JD Martinez) dealt for half of a season have come with varying prices. JD had his red flags - health and no defense - so I would expect Machado to fetch the Darvish package or more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 09:22 AM) I don't think they'll get less at the deadline. Probably get the same amount if not more. I agree with this. Probably don’t get less, but getting much more would require a desperate buyer though. I still think they’re better off trading him now and moving some other pieces like Britton, but it doesn’t sound like they want to rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (pablo @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 11:37 AM) I'd have to think more as well but I'm conflicted - but recent players (Darvish and JD Martinez) dealt for half of a season have come with varying prices. JD had his red flags - health and no defense - so I would expect Machado to fetch the Darvish package or more. At least as of right now, how many teams that think they are contenders have obvious holes at 3b/SS? That's knocking some of the market out. The teams that don't have those positions filled don't think that a 1 year player will push them into the playoffs, and most of them are right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 09:40 AM) I agree with this. Probably don’t get less, but getting much more would require a desperate buyer though. I still think they’re better off trading him now and moving some other pieces like Britton, but it doesn’t sound like they want to rebuild. Angelos is going to turn 89 during the season. I don't think a full rebuild fits his schedule. He's pretty much screwed either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Huge blow for #Orioles as closer Zach Britton suffers ruptured Achilles' tendon in workout, per @Ken_Rosenthal, and expected to likely miss first half of season... maybe forces their hand in dealing Machado or maybe not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 09:45 AM) Huge blow for #Orioles as closer Zach Britton suffers ruptured Achilles' tendon in workout, per @Ken_Rosenthal, and expected to likely miss first half of season... maybe forces their hand in dealing Machado or maybe not Too bad the Cubs didn't trade for him last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 09:40 AM) I agree with this. Probably don’t get less, but getting much more would require a desperate buyer though. I still think they’re better off trading him now and moving some other pieces like Britton, but it doesn’t sound like they want to rebuild. Whoops, looks like they blew that idea. Britton out six months with a ruptured Achilles. The Orioles are a f***ing mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 09:41 AM) Angelos is going to turn 89 during the season. I don't think a full rebuild fits his schedule. He's pretty much screwed either way. lol...good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 09:45 AM) Too bad the Cubs didn't trade for him last week. Damn too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 (edited) Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal #Orioles GM Dan Duquette just told @masnRoch regarding Machado trade discussions: “I’m not sure we’re going to focus on that much more after tomorrow.” Things always can change, but O’s clearly not satisfied with offers so far. Edited December 20, 2017 by Sleepy Harold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScootsMcGoots Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 11:02 AM) Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal #Orioles GM Dan Duquette just told @masnRoch regarding Machado trade discussions: “I’m not sure we’re going to focus on that much more after tomorrow.” Things always can change, but O’s clearly not satisfied with offers so far. Aren't satisfied? They want two young pitching prospects controllable for over 4 years for 1 year rental. I'm starting to think the Orioles are a poorly run team. I mean, I guess the best they can do now is wait for the trade deadline and trade him to a desperate team then, but what do they really think they are going to get here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (Scoots @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 10:20 AM) Aren't satisfied? They want two young pitching prospects controllable for over 4 years for 1 year rental. I'm starting to think the Orioles are a poorly run team. I mean, I guess the best they can do now is wait for the trade deadline and trade him to a desperate team then, but what do they really think they are going to get here? They've won more than 80 games five of the last 18 seasons. They refuse to spend money internationally. Ya, they've been poorly run for awhile now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Not sure why but have a feeling all these offers were low Have a feeling Giolito and Adams were all that was offered (hate to lose Gio) Time for JR and Hahn to work on an offseason pitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 10:49 AM) Not sure why but have a feeling all these offers were low Have a feeling Giolito and Adams were all that was offered (hate to lose Gio) Time for JR and Hahn to work on an offseason pitch What gives you the "feeling" that Giolito was included? I really doubt that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 11:21 AM) What gives you the "feeling" that Giolito was included? I really doubt that. I'd vomit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 12:21 PM) What gives you the "feeling" that Giolito was included? I really doubt that. BAL was looking for a deal similar to Shelby Miller and Tyrell Jenkins in '14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 10:49 AM) Not sure why but have a feeling all these offers were low Have a feeling Giolito and Adams were all that was offered (hate to lose Gio) Time for JR and Hahn to work on an offseason pitch Baltimore would've jumped on getting Giolito, probably. I'm sure he's better than anything they were offered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 09:22 AM) I don't think they'll get less at the deadline. Probably get the same amount if not more. Disagree. Teams will get to offer him a QO if acquired before the season and recoup a 1st or 2nd round pick for his services. Not the same at deadline. They are asking for too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 11:49 AM) Not sure why but have a feeling all these offers were low Have a feeling Giolito and Adams were all that was offered (hate to lose Gio) Time for JR and Hahn to work on an offseason pitch Sox fans would hate that deal. 6 season of control of Giolito for a one year rental is a bad trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 (edited) Oh noes! They are going to "pull him off the market"! What great binary thinking they display over there in Bmore. No s*** nobody is going to offer you much for a rental that probably near 2/3 of clubs can't even come close to resigning. If they are hell bent on trading him then revisit it at the deadline they will have more leverage. Edited December 20, 2017 by chitownsportsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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