Balta1701 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, wrathofhahn said: That number is complete bullshit as it relates to cost opportunity and FA. I don't know even why it's used. McCutchen was worth around 3 WAR last year he is not getting paid 27 million. He put up 2.6 last year and over the past 3 seasons total he has put up 7.4, so 2.4-2.5 is literally "exactly what he's been doing the last few years with no decline". If you factor in a little bit of decline, then the Phillies just spent $50 million for something like 6 projected WAR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Jose Abreu said: I don't buy the specifics of it. Just a lot of smoke about the Sox being quietly confident from various posters Actual true story: A good friend of mine from college works in the front office of an NBA team, and he told me they would never tell anything to anyone outside of upper management until the ink was basically dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, soxfan49 said: Not to be that guy so when I say take it FWIW, I mean TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, but my coworker's sister works for the Sox and said that the Sox have told their office people to contact all of the Chicago teams to get jerseys ready for Harper and Machado and they were evidently all asked to take small pay cuts to make these moves...yes, MOVES... easier. Man, no offense, but that is really hard to believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 15 minutes ago, Scoots said: Seriously...but still with Phillies signing Cutch...HMMMMMMM Hope it's for stupid money . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Just now, iWiN4PreP said: Phillies have McCutchen, Odubel, Alther (sp) and Nick Williams in the OF. I'm not too familiar with the last 3 other than Odubel had a great start to last year but finished flat, and the other two were hot on and off. Seems to me that they'd be out on Harper with this move and would look to shore up other positions, but I guess if they have tons of money... Yeah those last 2 definitely shouldn't block a Harper move. Plus they can deal any of the 3 I suppose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Just now, Eminor3rd said: Man, no offense, but that is really hard to believe They are not telling office people to take pay cuts to pay the way for acquisitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, soxfan49 said: Not to be that guy so when I say take it FWIW, I mean TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, but my coworker's sister works for the Sox and said that the Sox have told their office people to contact all of the Chicago teams to get jerseys ready for Harper and Machado and they were evidently all asked to take small pay cuts to make these moves...yes, MOVES... easier. This is obviously fake, but I can't tell if you made this up to be funny or if somebody actually told you that. If you made it "coworker's sister's mailman", then it would have been a dead giveaway for you just being funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 14 minutes ago, soxfan49 said: Not to be that guy so when I say take it FWIW, I mean TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, but my coworker's sister works for the Sox and said that the Sox have told their office people to contact all of the Chicago teams to get jerseys ready for Harper and Machado and they were evidently all asked to take small pay cuts to make these moves...yes, MOVES... easier. Who take pay cuts harper and machado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Hope it's for stupid money . 3/$50m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 How much money would the pay cuts even save anyway? Just makes zero sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Just now, peavy44 said: Who take pay cuts harper and machado JFC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Just now, OmarComing25 said: How much money would the pay cuts even save anyway? Just makes zero sense. $25K! Enough to pay an attorney to draft the contract! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Guys, it was obviously a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, OmarComing25 said: How much money would the pay cuts even save anyway? Just makes zero sense. But not zero cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 (edited) Only way I can see the pay cuts thing (if the poster was serious) is whoever made the call or sent an e-mail was joking because they'd be spending so much money. Edited December 11, 2018 by Sockin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 I saw a rendering of Bryce in a Phillies jersey...not gonna lie but that looks good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Just now, Balta1701 said: He put up 2.6 last year and over the past 3 seasons total he has put up 7.4, so 2.4-2.5 is literally "exactly what he's been doing the last few years with no decline". If you factor in a little bit of decline, then the Phillies just spent $50 million for something like 6 projected WAR. That only works if you throw in a sinker like McCutchen did in 2016. You take the average of the last two years and normalize it to 650 PA you end up with 3 WAR. In any case there will be even more extreme examples as FA goes along Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: Guys, it was obviously a joke. I vote to ban you until Harper and Machado sign now.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southwest Sider Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 36 minutes ago, bmags said: Hey guys, if you were not a white sox fan, would you bet on the white sox signing harper or Machado? If I were more of a gambler, and looked at the scenario as it is, I might. Especially if I was given nice odds. But I wouldn't bet a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Baron said: I saw a rendering of Bryce in a Phillies jersey...not gonna lie but that looks good Someone has to show Bryce the rendering of himself in a Sox uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, maggsmaggs said: Honestly cannot even tell if this is pure sarcasm. Christ, you all thought I was serious? Between all of this shit and Peavy44's nonsense, I just had to be an asshole. I mean, why don't we all just stop trusting our aunt's cousin's friend's dead grandpa and let it play out. Unless Kurkjian, Olney, etc say it, it isn't done. What's next, an update on where Harper took a piss? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, cjgalloway said: I vote to ban you until Harper and Machado sign now.. I wasn't the one who said it lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Just now, wrathofhahn said: That only works if you throw in a sinker like McCutchen did in 2016. You take the average of the last two years and normalize it to 650 PA you end up with 3 WAR. In any case there will be even more extreme examples as FA goes along So if McCutchen outperforms his projections this could be as cheap as $7 million per fWAR. That's literally exactly what I'm saying - $40 million a year is basically right now a 5-5.5 fWAR player, not 7-10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, OmarComing25 said: How much money would the pay cuts even save anyway? Just makes zero sense. Merry Xmas mofo's !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, peavy44 said: Who take pay cuts harper and machado 🤦♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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