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There was a very thorough article about the situation a couple of years ago in, I believe, SI that is worth a read.

One interesting excerpt, among many, was a third party expert in the field detailing that recidivism among underage people who commit the crime but undergo proper treatment is incredibly low.  I don't know how much that changes anyone's analysis.

Personally, I don't think we have to entirely forgive and forget but you also cannot damn a 20 or so year old guy to walking the earth alone unworthy of employment once he has paid his debt.  I also don't romanticize a job in baseball as some special privilege bestowed on only the purest.  If he were hired for the lowest job you can think of, would you hate the company that hired him?  If so, then you are essentially saying he should never have employment.  In my opinion that position leads to additional legal problems against society in the future.

I may find it repugnant but my line of thinking has to lead to an answer that I wouldn't be against the Sox hiring him.  Obviously there would have to be restrictions on his employment.

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3 minutes ago, Superstar Lamar said:

There was a very thorough article about the situation a couple of years ago in, I believe, SI that is worth a read.

One interesting excerpt, among many, was a third party expert in the field detailing that recidivism among underage people who commit the crime but undergo proper treatment is incredibly low.  I don't know how much that changes anyone's analysis.

Personally, I don't think we have to entirely forgive and forget but you also cannot damn a 20 or so year old guy to walking the earth alone unworthy of employment once he has paid his debt.  I also don't romanticize a job in baseball as some special privilege bestowed on only the purest.  If he were hired for the lowest job you can think of, would you hate the company that hired him?  If so, then you are essentially saying he should never have employment.  In my opinion that position leads to additional legal problems against society in the future.

I may find it repugnant but my line of thinking has to lead to an answer that I wouldn't be against the Sox hiring him.  Obviously there would have to be restrictions on his employment.

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Honestly. he kinda seems like he would be the kind of guy the Cubs would take a chance on since they can't develop pitching and can use all the help they can get. The sick part of it is, they would be praised for giving him a chance. 🤢 

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44 minutes ago, bmags said:

This is always what I think about re: Heimlich.

I don't think Heimlich should be in jail, he did do it as a minor and he mostly lived up to his punishment as was prescribed.

I don't think that means he should be able to play in major league baseball.

He may well have served his sentence, but that doesn't mean I as an employer have to be comfortable putting him into direct contact with thousands of young children a year.  It just seems like a terrible risk for even a tiny chance of it happening again.

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4 minutes ago, Superstar Lamar said:

There was a very thorough article about the situation a couple of years ago in, I believe, SI that is worth a read.

One interesting excerpt, among many, was a third party expert in the field detailing that recidivism among underage people who commit the crime but undergo proper treatment is incredibly low.  I don't know how much that changes anyone's analysis.

Personally, I don't think we have to entirely forgive and forget but you also cannot damn a 20 or so year old guy to walking the earth alone unworthy of employment once he has paid his debt.  I also don't romanticize a job in baseball as some special privilege bestowed on only the purest.  If he were hired for the lowest job you can think of, would you hate the company that hired him?  If so, then you are essentially saying he should never have employment.  In my opinion that position leads to additional legal problems against society in the future.

I may find it repugnant but my line of thinking has to lead to an answer that I wouldn't be against the Sox hiring him.  Obviously there would have to be restrictions on his employment.

i tend to feel the same. But if I am in charge of making the decisions, I am not signing him. I don't want to be the guy responsible for bringing on that PR nightmare. somebody else can go out on that limb.

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2 hours ago, NorthSideSox72 said:

 

He was 15. She was 6. SIX YEARS OLD. Unless this guy had a severe mental disability, he ABSOLUTELY knew how wrong it was at 15. At 15 he's taking driver's ed. This isn't an 8-year-old we're talking about here.

Fuck him. He can toil in the Mexican League and then go into some other career. If the Sox sign him, no joke, this is one thing that WILL keep me away from ALL things Sox.

 

100%.  While he was learning to be really good at baseball he should of been really good at not fucking with 6 year old relatives.  Talent does not absolve one from being a decent human being.  Fuck him.  

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34 minutes ago, Superstar Lamar said:

There was a very thorough article about the situation a couple of years ago in, I believe, SI that is worth a read.

One interesting excerpt, among many, was a third party expert in the field detailing that recidivism among underage people who commit the crime but undergo proper treatment is incredibly low.  I don't know how much that changes anyone's analysis.

Personally, I don't think we have to entirely forgive and forget but you also cannot damn a 20 or so year old guy to walking the earth alone unworthy of employment once he has paid his debt.  I also don't romanticize a job in baseball as some special privilege bestowed on only the purest.  If he were hired for the lowest job you can think of, would you hate the company that hired him?  If so, then you are essentially saying he should never have employment.  In my opinion that position leads to additional legal problems against society in the future.

I may find it repugnant but my line of thinking has to lead to an answer that I wouldn't be against the Sox hiring him.  Obviously there would have to be restrictions on his employment.

No one is saying he can’t have a form of employment, but he’s also not entitled to a Major League Baseball job just because he has physical talent.  Like any potential hire, you have to weigh the pros & cons of the person in question.  Beyond the GM’s own moral code, is this guy really worth the PR nightmare and potential clubhouse issues?  Personally, I’d say he’s way too big of liability even if you as the GM are willing to forgive him for his past misdoings.

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26 minutes ago, southsideirish71 said:

100%.  While he was learning to be really good at baseball he should of been really good at not fucking with 6 year old relatives.  Talent does not absolve one from being a decent human being.  Fuck him.  

Also, wasn’t this a multi time issue over a lengthy period of time?  I have a zero tolerance policy for this type of stuff, but I could see people being more willing to forgive if it was a one-time thing.  It’s clear as day to me that this kid lacks a moral compass.

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1 hour ago, bmags said:

The team that makes their players watch an anti-porn video is 100% going to be the one that valorizes Heimlich as a good kid that something "unfortunate happened to for all involved" but "he's passed it"

Honestly, before this news yesterday I actually believed that Heimlich was currently on the Royals on a minor league deal. This is because they are the only team that has expressed public interest in him recently, so I guess I assumed that he had signed 

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Do you think the Sox would even have a shot at signing Heimlich as a free agent. You know your front office is bad when you can't even sign a pedophile. He wouldn't sign here anyways cause theres no kids allowed in the clubhouse. Thanks alot LaRoche

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19 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

No one is saying he can’t have a form of employment, but he’s also not entitled to a Major League Baseball job just because he has physical talent.  Like any potential hire, you have to weigh the pros & cons of the person in question.  Beyond the GM’s own moral code, is this guy really worth the PR nightmare and potential clubhouse issues?  Personally, I’d say he’s way too big of liability even if you as the GM are willing to forgive him for his past misdoings.

After further reflection, I think this is the crux of it for me. Due to mitigating factors such as his own youth when the offense occurred, society determined that he didn't have to rot in prison for the rest of his life. He should be thankful for that. Nowhere does it mean he deserves an amazing job with a millionaire salary.

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28 minutes ago, NotHahn said:

Do you think the Sox would even have a shot at signing Heimlich as a free agent. You know your front office is bad when you can't even sign a pedophile. He wouldn't sign here anyways cause theres no kids allowed in the clubhouse. Thanks alot LaRoche

Is it sick this made me laugh?

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30 minutes ago, The Sir said:

After further reflection, I think this is the crux of it for me. Due to mitigating factors such as his own youth when the offense occurred, society determined that he didn't have to rot in prison for the rest of his life. He should be thankful for that. Nowhere does it mean he deserves an amazing job with a millionaire salary.

This is my thought with Heimlich. 

He doesn't deserve the opportunity. He took the innocence away from that child and doesn't deserve to live a prosperous and fairy tale life. 

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13 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Heimlich signed with the Mexican league today. Scouts who saw him pitch at driveline claim he could impact a MLB rotation today in a good way.

Heimlichs story is disturbing and zero tolerance for it is where I stand. His denials are odd - given his pleading guilty. He claims it was based on bad legal advice but I would never plead guilty to something that fucked up if I didnt do it - no matter what.

I say, signing heimlich is an unforgivable sin, what say you?

I do think someone signs him eventually.

No idea if he did it or not.  I read the SI story a year or two ago.  Remember feeling very undecided about it after reading.

One thing I am certain of - if you're 15 or 16 years old and everyone from your parents, to your attorney on down are telling you that pleading guilty is the right thing to do to move on, and this it will be expunged from your record when you turn 18, you're going to do that.  The whole story (whether true or false, no idea which it is), legally should have never come out.  He plead guilty for that exact reason.  The only reason it came into the public was due to a clerical filing error.  

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1 hour ago, Superstar Lamar said:

There was a very thorough article about the situation a couple of years ago in, I believe, SI that is worth a read.

One interesting excerpt, among many, was a third party expert in the field detailing that recidivism among underage people who commit the crime but undergo proper treatment is incredibly low.  I don't know how much that changes anyone's analysis.

Personally, I don't think we have to entirely forgive and forget but you also cannot damn a 20 or so year old guy to walking the earth alone unworthy of employment once he has paid his debt.  I also don't romanticize a job in baseball as some special privilege bestowed on only the purest.  If he were hired for the lowest job you can think of, would you hate the company that hired him?  If so, then you are essentially saying he should never have employment.  In my opinion that position leads to additional legal problems against society in the future.

I may find it repugnant but my line of thinking has to lead to an answer that I wouldn't be against the Sox hiring him.  Obviously there would have to be restrictions on his employment.

This, +100.  And to be clear, I am not advocating at all for the Sox to sign him.  =

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14 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

https://www.si.com/mlb/2018/05/16/luke-heimlich-oregon-state

Here is the article, which is well worth the read.  

You need to read the original article posted on the Oregonian.

The girl told investigators that inside Heimlich's bedroom, he pulled down her underwear and "touched her on both the inside and outside of the spot she uses to go to the bathroom," according to court records.

"She said that she told him to stop, but he wouldn't," the documents state, and that "it hurt" when he touched her.

A 6 year old girl told police that. He pled guilty. Now he says he didn't do it when it's very convenient to claim such. 6 year old girl made it up? 

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The fact that this thread has 2 pages of posts and no indication that the Sox are even thinking of signing him suggests hes not worth the risk.

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6 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

You need to read the original article posted on the Oregonian.

The girl told investigators that inside Heimlich's bedroom, he pulled down her underwear and "touched her on both the inside and outside of the spot she uses to go to the bathroom," according to court records.

"She said that she told him to stop, but he wouldn't," the documents state, and that "it hurt" when he touched her.

A 6 year old girl told police that. He pled guilty. Now he says he didn't do it when it's very convenient to claim such. 6 year old girl made it up? 

Imagine putting this person around your 6 year old?  Never.

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29 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

You need to read the original article posted on the Oregonian.

The girl told investigators that inside Heimlich's bedroom, he pulled down her underwear and "touched her on both the inside and outside of the spot she uses to go to the bathroom," according to court records.

"She said that she told him to stop, but he wouldn't," the documents state, and that "it hurt" when he touched her.

A 6 year old girl told police that. He pled guilty. Now he says he didn't do it when it's very convenient to claim such. 6 year old girl made it up? 

 

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He's getting to play professional baseball still.

Go cry me a river for not feeling sorry for him considering it's not a multi-million dollar league. I'd become a Mets, Dodgers or Cardinals fan.

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3 hours ago, bmags said:

he team that makes their players watch an anti-porn video is 100% going to be the one that valorizes Heimlich as a good kid that something "unfortunate happened to for all involved" but "he's passed it"

They're gonna blame it on porn

 

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1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

You need to read the original article posted on the Oregonian.

The girl told investigators that inside Heimlich's bedroom, he pulled down her underwear and "touched her on both the inside and outside of the spot she uses to go to the bathroom," according to court records.

"She said that she told him to stop, but he wouldn't," the documents state, and that "it hurt" when he touched her.

A 6 year old girl told police that. He pled guilty. Now he says he didn't do it when it's very convenient to claim such. 6 year old girl made it up? 

Yah its fucked up.  No doubt about it.  Not saying she made it up, but its not out the realm of possibility.  I have no idea, nor do you.  

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