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You keep asking for that much until you get a legitimate offer or you start running out of time. Until then, you keep the asking price high.

Getz definitely is organized. For the first time the WhiteSox have an organization philosophy. He also got all the department heads together and outlined their job description, responsibilities, goals and how best to reach them. I was told people were "blown away." No one had ever done anything like that before. It's not going to happen overnight but Getz is turning this organization around.

Hope all of you have a memorable week enjoying time with family and friends. Thank you SoxTalk Jason and team for keeping the conversation going. This is the first New Years since 2020 I’m optimistic the White Sox are on the road to measurable improvement as an organization, and have enjoyed the changes over the past four months.

Lopez went from starter to reliever. Gio needed to go outside the org to fix himself. Kopech has massive talent and it's gone nowhere. Eloy had a great rookie season and nothing since. Moncada is basically the same player that he was when he came over from Boston, after debuting in Boston. Cease and Robert he can get credit for. But let's get some others: - Crochet is being mismanaged (you can blame KW/Hahn for this) - Vaughn was rushed - Burger had to go to a collegiate league to develop himself before getting added to the 2020 alternate site - Sheets trained himself to be an OF - Alec Hansen, Luis Basabe, Luis Gonzalez, Blake Rutherford, and Ian Clarkin all had various degrees of squandered talent. - Madrigal lmao. It's been said that Sox prospects enter the system with their strengths and weaknesses — and they pretty much keep those exact same strengths and weaknesses. It's hard to see proof that argues against that. If Getz's track record on producing players relies on trades for Top 50 prospects and $25M signing bonus LatAm players - and even THOSE aren't all hits - that's not a good track record at all. Now, he's in charge, so let's see if it changes with him running the whole thing, but his track record doesn't scream success.

No, they operate like a small market team. There is a difference.

I don’t think that’s true. They know what they’ll ultimately take in return. Lowder +Arroyo would be a fun and realistic return.

When we see alot of stuff that's objectively positive then people will start to be positive. We have went thru awful period after awful period with garbage ownership, incompetent FOs and a tone deaf arrogant PR department that evidently is so lacking in self awareness that it thinks its a good idea to constantly poke sticks into the eyes of its fans. If you want people to be positive dont put lipstick on a pig and call it a supermodel. IDGAF about Baghdad Scott Merkin or other state media's garbage puff pieces.

Keep your back safe while carrying all that water for the great Chris Getz

Still needs to go.

I prefer- 2024 White Sox “I don’t like our team”

Leury was held and shoulders the best player that WestEddy named. Chris Getz was an active player when Leury joined the White Sox.

It's funny when it's inconceivable to somebody that another person can choose to notice any positives about another person's career. Good luck in finding a job, Kenny Williams.

Of course JR is trimming payroll. Here's my thing about the payroll trimming: spending all the money in the world doesn't necessarily mean you're going to win anything, or even be competitive (ex: NYM, SD). You need someone who can: A) Spend that money wisely, and B) create an environment that great players want to be apart of. Rick Hahn said the money will be spent. Well, he spent it, but he did it in an obscenely stupid way.

Capture the Malaise!

Because the same owner is pulling the strings of both and the same owner is crafty enough to hire only people who are otherwise unhireable in like positions so the GM never has any leverage to push back on what's dictated to them even if its stupid because they have nowhere else to go. We've dealt with and suffered through the agony of this same basic power dynamic forever. As a physician, you of all people should understand the danger in reopening old wounds...

One thing that came out after he was hired, I believe it was from Levine, was Getz fundamentally disagreed with a lot of Hahn’s personnel decisions.

That's right. Under no circumstances should anyone say anything positive about a White Sox employee. You will be summarily bashed.

What it means is they don’t have to be the best they can be and shoot lower. It’s why when they win a division but we’re still short and needed a RF and 2B you get Josh Harrison and a guy whi can’t play RF in AJ Pollock. And when they realize that, Gavin Sheets.

He made 1 start and pitched 5 innings from June 14th to the deadline. With his buyout, he was equivalent to a $30 million a year pitcher at that point. That was the reason they couldn’t trade him.

I’m not sure the Orioles have innovated. Like the Nats before them, they lucked into the first pick in 2 years where the top prospect was a stud. The difference between Rutschman and Holliday versus Vaughn and Madrigal is pretty stark.

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Merry Christmas, everyone. I hope to be arguing next year over which of the 2-bWAR DeJong or 2-bWAR Lopez should go to the bench when Colson Montgomery plays his way out of AAA.

Merry Christmas to all! Have a great Holiday Season!

We really should credit the leap in Yermin with his independent league play in Texas. The goal of any system is 2+ fWAR players being produced. None of those guys mentioned could consistently play at that level or we would have gotten something worthwhile back for them. McCann and Narvaez did quite well...but they gave up on Omar because of his defense. We saw that with Semien Burger Narvaez and numerous others. Or simply forcing guys into positions where they didn't belong, like Vaughn and Shields in the OF. Well we did try to play Avi Garcia in CF. Guess even he will counted as a success by some.

I am trying to be optimistic, but I just came back from Christmas Eve. My nephew (to his uncle, my brother): Do you think you'll go to ANY Sox games this year? My brother: I dunno. I'm really not feeling it. Probably not. My nephew: Me neither. These are both huge, die-hard Sox fans and the last 2 seasons have killed their enthusiasm. It would have helped if Grifol had been canned. Both pointed to how dumb/arrogant he is negatively impacted their enjoyment of the product. It's gonna be a long, maybe 3 years?

Who is saying the owners are broke? You just cited Forbes data to prove some point but are upset when it shows the average operating profit for each club last year was only $18M? You can’t have it both ways. Regarding the Braves, what broadcast revenue is being ignored in their profit numbers and what are these untaxed capital gains that they would have? As for the White Sox and the growing in valuation of the franchise, what would $19M invested in the S&P be worth today? And how does an increase in equity value help increase their operating cash flow?

Not to mention Steele Walker and Adolfo. We couldn't even develop a single 1+ fWAR outfielder. Well, Alex Call was close at one point last year...but Sox take zero credit there. We simply have more Bassitts and Semiens that got away than the other way around.

The way most look at is who became significant contributors at the major League level that were not expected to on the day they were drafted or acquired via trade...? All of those guys who graduated to the bigs from 2017-19 were really elite prospects...enough to get the system ranked at the top of the sport. The best we can say is we had some influence on Cease and Dunning...but once again those were all high picks originally. Where the Guardians have destroyed the Sox is picks after the first round. The White Sox haven't even gotten much out of any of their second round and supplemental picks. Think of it like Iowa football turning multiple 2-3 star recruits into NFL stars. You almost never see it in the NBA...but the White Sox have just been abysmal at even getting the majority of first rounders to stick as permanent fixtures. Partly on JR, but partly on development too. We don't have a single player other than Montgomery you would confidently predict would be a $100+ million contract someday...well, Robert as well, but nobody has ever credited Chris Getz with developing Luis...it's more about not getting in the way of his raw talent and trying to change him. We just drafted another first rounder in June that nobody can seem to figure out how to fix his swing/approach/lack of pop with a wooden bat. Another example. Burger and his wife arguably had more to do with his success than the White Sox...who believed in him so much they let him play in a collegiate summer league without supervising him.

Easy to say that now after the fact when the majority of his personnel decisions flamed out and he is the one guy within the s%*# show organization to not only stay but get a promotion.

You seem to be having an argument with somebody inside your head, because you're not quoting me. However, he was the director of player development while the recent core all came through the system. So he's not "inexperienced". Does the director of player development generally deliver prospects to the majors who never need any fine tuning, never regress, and always succeed henceforth? Or does the big league club have coaches who work with them going forward? If you want to be angry they didn't go out and get a big name as GM, good for you. Nobody's stopping you. But I'm not going to pretend that dude's an outright failure because you believe that everything good about a player happened elsewhere, and everything bad happened here. I suppose Getz made Kopech into a head case, or broke all of Moncada's conditioning equipment so he couldn't last a full season without injury. And yes, players do go outside their organizations to pitching or hitting labs to fine-tune their game. Mookie Betts and Clayton Kershaw have worked with Driveline on their own. I guess that means that the Dodgers are a massive failure in developing players. Everyone in their organization should be fired.

Yeah I don’t see much wrong with that ask

It's nice to meet you Chris. I wish you luck next season.

Why are we to believe KW was the problem and Hahn was just the poor victim? Last I checked, KW’s record as GM blows Hahn’s out of the water.

Yeah they’re not trading him if they’re asking for that much

the point is that I wouldn't pay 32 million dollars to a 30something journeyman pitcher on a rebuilding team and expect anything good to happen. Would much rather see young guys and bounceback candidates. royals spent $77mil on two good but not great 30something starting pitchers, I'd rather see what the 20somethings can do on arbitration/pre-arbitration deals or slightly richer guys like Fedde or Yariel Rodriguez. spending actual money on those pitchers would've been as pointless as signing Benintendi over Bellinger, at least with Bellinger we could've gotten back one more prospect last trade deadline. it really would not surprise me if Fedde has a better year than Wacha at half the price.

He was director from 2017 to 2020. Looking at the 2018 draft, 9 players from our draft played in the majors. Compare that to seasons before Getz, where you might have the first rounder, and a reliever from the 13th round actually throw a pitch in the bigs.

But it's a bar, nonetheless. My belief is that KW/Hahn had competing philosophies that caused chaos. Hahn may have had some good organizational ideas or instincts, but KW hated his guys, and Hahn eventually gave up (my take). I don't think Nick Hostetler was an idiot. Their drafts were never panned by the experts. They took first rounders in the first round, and picked up guys who were consensus first rounders in subsequent rounds. I can't imagine they regularly drafted guys who were untalented, and then taught them how to suck worse. That's on development. If they just drafted tools and fundamentals guys, they should have had a system spitting out Zach Remillards and Jimmy Lamberts. But they didn't. Nobody can pin point whether amateur scouting sucks, international scouting sucks, or player development sucks. Maybe that's a result of nobody having defined responsibilities for implementing an actual program. Some people would say "it all sucks, fire everybody". I guess that's why a guy putting order to an organization doesn't register as a positive with them. I have no idea if Chris Getz is a Kellogg Business school darling who is going to set the organization straight. But any order is a step in the right direction. Maybe JR shuffles off in a couple, the team sells, and there's at least a semblance of order for the new guy to work with. In which case, I don't get the complaints about Getz being inexperienced. It either matters that he's run a couple of front offices previous to this one, or it doesn't. I've worked for guys who embrace the chaos, then when somebody comes along who can alphabetize the files, they get bored and mess it all up, again by switching jobs on everyone. Maybe that's what Reinsdorf is, and it works for him in certain ways. But that's why Getz deserves the benefit of the doubt. One voice vs. two. Bringing in outside voices rather than guys from within. He's already doing things everybody was screaming for.

realistically, I don't know how anyone on this forum could say with any certainty if he was actually good at this job or not. is minor league records the only indicator? he wasn't signing the players. do you give him credit for Montgomery or Schultz becoming great prospects? or for Cespedes or Kath falling down in the system? the GM job is more visible, we can see what moves he's making and who he's hiring, and I'm not sure what he would've done differently to look better to fans. he seems to be doing a fine job thus far, what would David Stearns have done differently? still, the first big test IMO is what he's able to get from Cease; nonetheless, the organizational structure already seems better than it has in years. it genuinely wouldn't surprise me if the Sox compete in the central, the team actually looks better than last season, the wildcard being the pitching staff. still, I prefer to see Fedde and Soroka than I do Flaherty or Wacha.

No. He knew him, said he didn't have to.

Do you think Chris Getz would have been a realistic candidate for any other GM position in Major League Baseball? I hope he’s great, but he hasn’t done anything a real candidate couldn’t have done while “wasting” a year. And he was director of player development. It would be nice to see a guy get called up and at least look like they weren’t introduced to baseball in the last couple of days. I will admit at least it’s not RH or KW is a positive, but it was time for JR to go out of his comfort zone. It wasn’t working.

That's pretty cool. "You're gonna love Joe Kelly" /sorry I couldn't resist

Does anyone else think that if the Sox start out 8-20 or something similarly horrible and they finally see what everyone else can see, that Pedro Grifol is not a major league manager, LaRussa somehow comes back into the dugout?

Trimming payroll is Reinsdorf favorite word.....

Wild we're all excited for this team to make moves that make them worse

I kinda like “More work to do”

After the past 2 seasons it's a reasonable first step..... for 2025.

The Royals were a play or two and Madison Bumgarner away from two WS titles… That would have put them only behind the Red Sox and Giants going back to 2000.

How very 2022 White Sox of them!

Balta and aly would like a word with you.