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This is an insane thing to write and post

Ozzie's insistence of playing a non CF out there a good chunk of the season didn't help either.

Gotta love fans who are so bitter that they will put down the only championship won by the team in 107 years.

It’s more important for me to support a system of team building that sustainable. A freak occurrence 2005 has no value to a fan like myself. It’s fine. But you pair it with a thousand years of ineptitude, f*** that. Who cares about 2005 it just highlights the gross incompetence of this franchise that it’s never going to be repeated because it was an accident, a bug, not a feature. You can have it.

I would not want to hire anyone dumb enough to take on this job.

Happens way too often by Sox fans. It's so fucking stupid. We got to watch one of the best post season runs by a team in MLB history and people who claim to fans act like Cubs fans when it comes to the '05 team. So dumb.

A new owner?

That is sad.

Getz' big gaffe was basically giving away 1.5 years of Kopech and Fedde. And the real cost was opportunity cost: he should have gotten some good young talent back for those 2, and he didn't. The Bummer trade was blah. How could he whiff so badly on Fletcher with Barfield having worked for Arizona? Opinions vary on the Cease return. But otherwise, he mostly chose the worst player between 2 marginal players. He should do better than that. But he hasn't given up any long-term young talent that I can see. But look at the high WAR players on the list: that is the devastation wrought by Hahn. And Tatis and even moreso the Semien trade were so poorly intended that the Sox had very little chance for benefit even at the time the trade was made. Now Getz has been here barely over a year, so he may yet match Hahn in total devastation, but this is a summer rainfall compared to the typhoon that was Hahn.

If you can’t understand Hahn’s major role in this disaster at this point I don’t think anyone can help you.

I beg to differ on Elko’s defense. He may K in a third of his at bats, but the man can pick it at first. A huge defensive upgrade over either Vaughn or Sheets.

https://www.thefreetvproject.org/ a good resource to use if you're going to buy an antenna.

2005 was fluky lucky in which everything went right. The 2006 offense was crazy good and the team should have been better than the 2005 team, but the pitching, both the starters and bullpen, completely went into the shitter.

No one expected much from El Duke either. Iguchi was a virtual unknown too. It was a magical season where everything broke right more often than not. Finishing 3rd in 2006 with arguably a better team on paper speaks to just how much of an outlier fluke 2005 was.

Yes. It wasn’t by design. Contreras had an ERA of 5.30 the previous year. Jenks was off the scrap heap. Dumb luck.

2005 everything went right. That was his model. It was the one year it totally worked. He should get credit. I understand your point, but if we can blast him for all his failures, you have to give him credit for the one year he got it right. The one issue with that was it seemed to have convinced him, his way is the only way. And we have all paid for it since.

Let me stop you right there.

We all want sustained success, that’s what all of us whine and complain about all the time. That said, to not love and enjoy what happened in 2005 which will be the best and coolest sports moment that a lot of us will ever experience is extremely strange.

You take pride in that pop up champion? Explain that to me. I have pride, they can’t buy me off that easy. I demand more as a Chicagoan that loves the city and all its institutions other than the Cubs, which I respect adversarially. Hell I defend Chicago against haters from Chicago, and elsewhere. Because it is objectively a world class city. The White Sox, yeah. No. If they can please you and gain your devotion with 2005, and a lifetime of failure, that’s your choice.

There is no way you saw the skyline through those .

The Sox prove it was luck, not design every baseball season.

Garland was dumb luck too. So was Podsednik. So was Iguchi.

The water carrying for the worst season in MLB history is absurd

Do you live near the ballpark?

Lots of rave reviews for Montgomery's swing and approach early in Fall League. He's got just 1K through 17AB (7 games). His 9 walks (and a few HBP) have led to a league leading .607 OBP. He's also stolen 4 bags, so it seems he's feeling pretty healthy. Elko isn't cutting down the K rate quite yet (13K to 1BB in 26AB...) but he did hit his 3rd HR (and a 2B) yesterday:

I mean, Getz's first cut was Honeywell, and he just saved the Dodgers' bullpen last night. Dude can't scout, can't hire, can't negotiate and can't develop. It's basically him as a player, just translated to an executive role.

Usually, when a public figure leaks something to the media, he wants to accomplishment something. I don't know what JR wanted to accomplish, because I am no mind reader. However, as usual, he did more to hurt his and his organization's credibility than anything else. When there is no sale and no move, it will become obvious this was a BS move. And if JR thought the idea of a move will help him gain leverage for his new stadium, he's living in the 1980s. Like I said, this was a joke. So, when Chris Getz tells us he is on the right rebuilding track, I won't believe him. Hey Chris, how is the sale of the team going?

Yes, and clearly every loss this year is an event isolated to this season that has nothing to do with past decisions. The water carrying for Hahn around here is absurd.

Dude was getting by with smoke and mirrors but he was absolutely great that season.

Stanton as well…the White Sox never could get a second, or a third, for sure. Just like KC with Witt Perez Pasquantino.

I just mean that the thread started with a rumor and multiple pages of good arguments why it would or wouldn’t happen. Then it devolved into nonsense.

Media rights hadn't blown up 100x by that point.

Why the f*** am I reading this thread anymore?

So let me get this straight. They are thinking of selling, but hiring a new manager, and apparently are confident the new owner would be good with Getz making decisions. It’s all BS, but it is fun to discuss.

Seven playoff appearances in 44 years? No series wins in any of those but one? Flags fly forever, but you aren't wrong.

We are in totally agreement re: the second paragraph. MLB won't stop a move, but I doubt they would OK a move without retaining the right to replace the team in Chicago in the future. MLB would be leaving money on the table for a generation without a second team in the third largest market in the country. The White Sox share of the Chicago market is still viable despite what JR claims, and ceding the entire market to the Cubs when their market share wouldn't drastically expand for years is just bad business.

Jordan over Stewart a thousand times.

Jordan's ultimate 'f*** you' to Jerry for breaking up the Bulls dynasty would be buying the White Sox, Jerry's first love, and turning it into a perennial contender doing everything Jerry has refused to do for 40 years... #IfOnly

Which is always the part about a potential "move" that never made sense to me. The growth is here for an ownership group that actually gives a s%*#.

One of the problems of the last rebuild was the lack of a true right fielder and a second baseman, instead we had AV and Sheets playing right field, surprised they didn’t try AV at second.

Rick Hahn took us to 101 losses. Chris Getz took us to 121

Again, if Chris Getz had a choice between 2 players in this last year, I think he literally chose the wrong one every, single, time. I know the Stan's want to blame Rick Hahn, but the Getz trail of destruction is Hurricane like

Obviously you are being sarcastic but Soroka is likely gone. Vargas is trash. Take a deeper look at Shuster’s metrics. He was lucky to have a 4.30 ERA considering he doesn’t strike many guys out and walks a bunch of guys when he isn’t giving up hits. Getz has to be one of the worst GM’s in baseball currently. The team would have been better if you negated all of his moves and just made no moves.

The Sox having a historically bad season and then being sold with the intention of being moved sounds like an appropriate Old Yeller like ending to my Sox fandom. But hey, ‘05 was fun.