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We all want sustained success, that’s what all of us whine and complain about all the time. That said, to not love and enjoy what happened in 2005 which will be the best and coolest sports moment that a lot of us will ever experience is extremely strange.

I'd rather have a great team and shitty views of Chicago myself.

That is an incredibly difficult read. Coyle seems completely out of touch with the current reality for RSNs and sports broadcasting in general. How many times can you say the words “soon,” “hope,” & “believe” in regards to a network that is already weeks into its launch, 6 games into the NHL season, & days from the NBA regular season? Regardless of what Coyle would have us believe, the Athletic has reported that CHSN was offered the standard deal for RSNs by Comcast. They hope to have OTA in outlying areas “soon.” They hope to reach an agreement with Fubo “soon.” They plan to have an app ready to release “soon.” Coyle “hopes” that start of the NBA season will increase pressure on Xfinity…hint, it won’t. Coyle doesn’t “believe” OTA broadcasting matters to Comcast…hint, it does. The guy is completely incompetent and is the one running the entire network apparently. This happening in the third largest media market in the country for a channel that broadcasts an MLB, NBA, and NHL team is a mind blowing disaster. I honestly don’t know if you could roll out this network more poorly if you were actually trying to tank the project on purpose. Jason is a Harvard Law graduate so he’ll be mortified when this ends up as an HBS case study. As mentioned in the article, there’s already a possibility that limited TV access is affecting in person attendance and revenue. The Hawks and Bulls are both fringe franchises that cannot afford that in the modern NHL and NBA. The Sox are very solidly the second team in the second city, just set the league record for futility, and certainly can’t withstand access limitation to the fan base when Marquee is pretty available on most providers. If this carries on long enough, it could actually affect the franchise valuation of the Sox. Maybe that’s the long game here and Jerry is trying to force a sale, relocation, new stadium, etc but…Comcast could probably take a billion off the franchise value if they want to and, as opposed to Coyle, they are smart enough to know they have that leverage. CHSN really doesn’t have much of a negotiating position here. Studio content? People can easily get that from places like CHGO or barstool on podcasts or YouTube. White Sox games? Marquee and the Cubs are already available, and although existing fans won’t “switch,” new ones will. NBA ratings continue to decrease and the Bulls don’t have a Bona Fide superstar that people will tune in to watch during a middling season. The NHL is still a fringe sport and despite Bedards talent and ceiling, how many people in the Chicago market could actually name him? Theres a reason they haven’t even gotten on Fubo yet. A provider that carries Bein Sports 6 recognizes that this network is simply not that valuable…

Chris Getz is a fucking moron.

Obviously not, because if you were you'd probably be a little more educated on this stuff, champ.

Went to a couple hundred games from 1955-1990 and I probably sat up there more than other part of the park along with the right-outfield upper deck. Let’s face it, if fans want great skyline views, they need a new park at 78.

No, because a good hire for this White Sox franchise would be unexciting. The White Sox desperately need someone who can be a modern thinker. Someone who understands how the game has changed and who works to teach this to players. Someone who is the opposite of the “classic baseball people are back in charge” mentality Iof 2024. If they hire the perfect person it will not be exciting. It will show up as players being smarter, better approaches at the plate, fewer ground balls, less swinging hard in case you hit something. Better bullpen performance from pitchers who understand their roles and how they will be used. Guy who are better conditioned and who use the IL when they’re hurt rather than playing through one injury until it leads to a worse one. Fewer LaRussian Locker room rivalries and less articles ripping the org every August. Never ever talk about the importance of bunting again. Gradual improvement over multiple years. If your house is flooded with sewage, the arrival of a cleanup crew isn’t exciting. It may be a relief, but starting the sewage cleanup isn’t exciting. Finishing it is exciting.

Yeah that basically sums it up for me. - The title was great as a fan. - The team was legitimately great for that season. (You can’t really argue with going wire to wire in the regular season, then dominating the postseason.) - That team was also a fluke in the greater context of things. - That team also further solidified JR’s belief that doing things his way was the correct way, thus setting the organization up to be the failure that it has been since. All of these things can be true at the same time.

Also, 2005 was fluke-y: They were great. Assembled in a way that made JR and Kenny think they were the smartest guys in the room. They went for it all again in 2006 — but because KW felt so smart he felt comfortable giving up Frank Thomas and trading Rowand. If he was going to give up so much trade capital in that off-season (Rowand, Gio, Young) it was spent in the wrong place — as much as we all love Thome — cause Javy wasn't it. It should have been spent on better pitching.

Woke up and thought I made up that people in here were posting that "2005 actually sucked." I did not. Incredible.

Lots of teams have done that and not won a damn thing. Knocking 2005 is bullshit stuff.

I would not want to hire anyone dumb enough to take on this job.

I had to google that... before my time my man...

Because you still can't get to the postseason every year with the Rays' opener/bullpen heavy usage approach. You need at least 3-4 quality starters to handle the bulk of the workload. Look at how many starts Lugo Singer Wacha Ragans made for KC last year. And if you destroy your bullpen in August and September you're toast in October anyway.

I’m also not your buddy.

Ok, settle down there buddy.

I’m not your fucking “pal.” Got get a other bucket.

You would have a nice view of the trees in Armour Park. If you sat in the upper deck on the first base side you did have a view of the skyline, not great but a view.

Reinsdorf for emptying them all.

Seems pretty destructive to the Hawks and Bulls for one team.

People said it sucked? I see people saying it was fluky, which it was. It was not a team built to win for years, like a dynasty team.

I was going to go with the records as saying that Getz was still worse, but then I realized, Hahn also employed Getz for years and it makes perfect sense why the players from Hahn’s minor league system were so poorly prepared, poorly coached, and unmotivated. Meanwhile he was apparently angling for Hahn’s job for years too. So who do you blame for Chris Getz, Rick Hahn for employing him or Chris Getz for being him?

And a big difference between this and the Dodgers situation is the Dodgers still got paid when most of their fans couldn’t watch. This is costing the team money. The fewer the viewers, the less they can charge for advertising.

https://www.abi.org/feed-item/dodgers-fans-to-judge-call-mccourt-out https://bleacherreport.com/articles/742451-mlb-one-step-closer-to-forcing-the-sale-of-the-los-angeles-dodgers First of all, it was a past Dodgers’ ownership group well before the current one…and it was about screwing over anyone in their path for the McCourts to afford to get divorced. Those monies partially led to the financial behemoth that is the Dodgers today, going on 12 consecutive seasons in the playoffs and 11 NL West division titles. Next, JR is getting how much money from this deal for the White Sox? $2+ billion versus $50 million? $75 million? $100 million for the Bulls and Sox??? I might have more faith in Trump’s media SPAC returning a profit than this current Sox endeavor generating an advertising bonanza. The Bulls might have the #1 attendance…but that’s still apparently not enough leverage. Reinsdorf and the Blackhawks just assumed that Comcast would cave in to their demands. And it’s not like anyone watching Marquee since the Cubs’ 2015-16 dynasty imploded believes that the Cubs’ own network has been hugely profitable. They lost a lot of viewers not making the playoffs in 2023 and then basically making cosmetic changes other than Imanaga and bringing Bellinger back for a season, but those were rightly perceived as half-measures. The other irony is that one of the few growth opportunities in sports is the WNBA (2024 revenues up $140 million, not counting the new broadcasting deal) and Reinsdorf screwed himself there as well by demonstrating absolutely zero interest in the Sky.

I do remember the dodgers stuff and thinking that was also bullshit, yes I’m not stanning for anyone here, I want the deal fucking done. All of this should have been ironed out before launch but here we are, hands in our pockets like “damn this sucks”. Shame on me

I honestly wonder if any of you follow any other city or situation. The Dodgers, for example, couldn't be viewed by half the LA area for SIX years. Did you talk about how incompetent they are as business people? First, you imply it's somehow the CHSN fault that Comcast would force them onto a tier more costly than marquee. I'm so confused why people on this site are stanning for Comcast. CHSN has stated Comcast has not even reached out to them, and they refuse to offer them the tier marquee is in, for example, despite being flexible on $$'s. In this case, Comcast can get fuked and calling the Bulls a fringe franchise is one of the dumbest things I've ever read here. The Bulls are worth more than the Cubs, pal. Basketball is the fastest growing sport globally as well.

The guy who gets mad and goes and puts laugh emojis on every post he doesn’t agree with (which is a lot here) is accusing others of post stalking! 😂😂

The guy is a fucking imbecile. He is where he is because of connections and nepotism. Absolutely clueless.

The NFL is heading in that direction. Gambling seems to be more promoted than the sports. You don't have to watch a game for that. The problem is going to be all of these subscription services that will eventually be costly to the consumer.

I don't necessarily take pride in it. I didn't play for the team. I enjoyed watching it on television when I was 12-years-old though. The one game I went to that season is a lifelong memory. My contemporary association with the team and a game at the Cell is "fat woman shoots herself and another fan; CPD blames teens". I prefer my childhood conception of the White Sox. I know people around town still talk about it. In fact, it just came up for me in conversation this week amongst a group of young people who are 1) not baseball fans 2) weren't alive when it happened. I guess they have pride in their South Side team. I obviously see your point, we would prefer to watch a good baseball team than a bad one right now. But I will reiterate my point that it's insane for you to think winning the World Series meant nothing. It definitely meant something. Even the Cubs winning meant something for me, and I hate the Cubs.

You take pride in that pop up champion? Explain that to me. I have pride, they can’t buy me off that easy. I demand more as a Chicagoan that loves the city and all its institutions other than the Cubs, which I respect adversarially. Hell I defend Chicago against haters from Chicago, and elsewhere. Because it is objectively a world class city. The White Sox, yeah. No. If they can please you and gain your devotion with 2005, and a lifetime of failure, that’s your choice.

This is an insane thing to write and post

There is no way you saw the skyline through those .

There will be more elite pitchers going to rinse and repeat the suckage under Getz. After Crochet it will be Schultz,,,,,,,and we'll hear how great Birmingham is. Robert, Moncada, Eloy, were suppose to compliment Abreu. TA fell off the baseball map. It would have been a great team but injuries happen and who knows what else. No righting of the ship with this organization as next season can be worse. This is not gonna be another 100 loss to make it into the post season. If by some magic there are new owners they will need a GM and rebuild the fanbase. Expensive milkshakes are not gonna solve the problem.

That is sad.

What could be better than a new stadium that makes you tons of money that you don’t have to pay for? Jerry is a delusional fucking scumbag.

It’s more important for me to support a system of team building that sustainable. A freak occurrence 2005 has no value to a fan like myself. It’s fine. But you pair it with a thousand years of ineptitude, f*** that. Who cares about 2005 it just highlights the gross incompetence of this franchise that it’s never going to be repeated because it was an accident, a bug, not a feature. You can have it.

Do you live near the ballpark?

A new owner?

So yesterday I tried it out through my TV during the Hawks game. The channel was appearing but it said no signal. I went to “find new channels” and ever since then, I cannot find it. What a shitshow. I think I need to go buy an actual antenna but at least they’re cheap.

Are we not men? NO! We are DEVO!!!!!!! 😆

Definitely not a man, definitely don't want to be a man. I tried that and it didn't go well for me.

I’m not going to pretend to be a giant soccer fan but I think the MLS has grown enough lately where if there was a cool new stadium with a decent team then yes. But I’ve been wrong before ha.

No offense to soccer fans, but does anyone give a s%*# enough for a downtown soccer only stadium to be a draw?

They do pay people, at times, but they pretty much always turn out to be disasters because they never pay for proven top talent.

"Not that the Bulls have earned much more attention from fans than the Hawks. Both teams have lost enough games to make fans question whether it’s worth dropping hundreds of dollars to go to the United Center. So now, not only is it expensive to go to a game, it’s difficult for many to watch one on TV. Combine limited access with limited winning, and you have two business operations in trouble. Perhaps the NBA’s popularity will spark an agreement before the Bulls’ season opener Wednesday. But don’t count on it. In the most remarkable turn of events, Comcast, for once, is under no pressure to appease a sports network. If it was losing enough subscribers for not carrying CHSN, it would carry CHSN. Carriage isn’t a priority until it is. After not carrying the Big Ten Network when it launched in 2007, Comcast subscriptions plummeted. The next year, BTN appeared on Xfinity systems. That might be what it takes for CHSN to appear on Comcast, unless the network bends to the company’s wishes. CHSN is in a tough spot, but it’s one they should’ve seen coming." from the previously-linked article, CS-T

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I'm guessing a very large % of fans will buy the antenna (it's honestly not that big of a deal in my opinion). I just did myself, $20 best buy essentials antenna and the quality of the picture/sound is BETTER than I expected. I'm in Northwest Indiana for reference.

This is already a radically run-starved environment. You eliminate 2-strike foul balls, no one will score and the sport will die. Why not raise the roster size to 30 and make 17 of them pitchers? That would also limit the number of pitches thrown.

Sign him. If we are going to waste time on "leadership", it might as well be Abreu.