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Too bad. I was really pulling for the Times of India to get that scoop.

I don’t think development is linear. And also, my goodness this thread sucks.

Sammy Zavala is a bust because of "people", batting avg and Courtney Hawkins.

Too soon to throw out “bust” in regards to Zavala. Didn’t have anywhere close to a good season but looks like he’s made adjustments. Lets see how it translates this year.

I would say that might be the worse source that's ever been posted and that includes fake Twitter accounts.

Sosa and Vargas both should get long looks because they are out of options. You can't send them down unless they clear waivers .

The Cease deal made a 121 loss team better. I’m just gonna leave this one here. You’re not paid well enough to shovel something that smells this bad.

This game should reinforce the Bears using their top 3 picks on the trenches and not a running back.

Just so it was done, title corrected.

Is a bust defined only as a guy who is completely done? In that case, Wilson is a bust yes, and the others in that deal aren’t - yet. But they’re definitely heading in that direction. If a guy drops from being a top 200 prospect to a marginal top 1000 prospect, is it stretching language to say he’s a bust? Or merely “almost there”? Right now, the White Sox seem really likely to have traded away Cease and Fedde and Kopech without literally anything of value in return, while simultaneously losing perhaps 330 games in 3 years. When are we allowed to call that a pattern?

He signed with the Padres. Times of India just took a major hit to their baseball free agency signings credibility.

The M's had higher hopes for his bat, but his glove at 3B kept him in the lineup every day despite the lack of production at the plate. He is likely the best defensive option the Sox have at 3B, at least to start the season.

Am I the only one that read Times of Indiana at first?

NO

You’re right but the White Sox have been a big part of my life, the last 2 years have been horrible and this year will be horrible also, just can’t get myself to laugh about it. Depression is probably the wrong word, what is right is utter detest for Reinsdorf and what he has done to the franchise. I turn 79 on Wednesday and am in pretty good shape but who knows if I will be around to see the Sox as World Series contenders again, with Reinsdorf still running things I’m not holding my breath.

He was 4th in DRS last year amongst all 3B. He’s far more likely to be our 3B than our 2B, although he probably gets some playing time at both spots.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! So good I had to quote it so it shows up twice.

I’ll happily give him a mid-level grade this year. The trades for 32 year old relievers are bizarre and make no sense on paper, but he knows no one will fire anyone if those deals flop and no one will blame his pitching coaches. On paper the Crochet deal was a good one and that’s the important one. With payroll constraints, since Nov. 1 2024 he’s been all right, but we will see how the deals go. August 2023 through October 2024 he was an epic, unimaginable nightmare. 121 big league losses and basically every trade was a loss on paper at the time and looked worse later.

Making fun of the Dodgers for anything when you are a White Sox fan is insanity.

Sox Claim Brandon Eisert, Designate Steven Wilson.

Saw a funny thing on X. Mahomes is 0-1 when Tom Brady is playing. Mahomes is 0-1 when Tom Brady is announcing. Mahomes is 3-0 when Tom Brady is not involved at all.

Yes, the Mariners offense was bad. They had the #2 ERA in baseball for their pitching staff and defense and missed the playoffs. There is only one other part to the game other than not giving up runs, and that is scoring runs. Which they were bad at.

"His performance was, frankly, awful, and it was covered up by a tiny bit of good luck. He was really, really bad. Like, I can seriously say - I have never been more disappointed by a top 50 prospect. " June 22 - Det. -- 6 innings - 0 earned runs June 28 - Col. - 6 innings - 2 earned runs July 5 - Miami - 6.1 innings - 1 earned run July 10 - Minn. - 6 innings - 2 earned runs July 21 - @KC - 6 innings - 0 earned runs Then the elbow thing started and he had two bad games then stopped. Did Cease even sniff a stretch like that in his first two years?? Now quote me his BaBS oh, I'm sorry his BABIP. What a stupid stat that must be. So BABIP tells the story and not those 5 earned runs over 36 1/3 innings. This only reinforces my last claim: You totally misrepresent the facts to fit your negative agenda. You literally said, about those six games (in quotes above) "frankly, awful . . . never more disappointed in a top 50 prospect". How can you with a straight face type that up and then stand by it. You're continuing to make stuff up, finding silly stats, rather than admit; again, that Thorpe, Iriate, and Zavala are literally something, not nothing. You cannot win this debate, not with that stretch of games and Iriate's 55 ranking for MLB. They are something and the value of return on the Cease trade is still open for discussion.

As of right now, no, I think Drew Thorpe looks like a guy who might, might be able to turn into an OK reliever, and Iriarte can't throw strikes. Thorpe's raw numbers are worse than 47 year old Jamie Moyer. Worse strikeout rate than a 47 year old, more than twice as high of walk rate. Had he not gotten hurt, his numbers on the year would look awful, he was riding a .150 BABIP for that 5 game stretch. His performance was, frankly, awful, and it was covered up by a tiny bit of good luck. He was really, really bad. Like, I can seriously say - I have never been more disappointed by a top 50 prospect. If he's a top 50 prospect, then this is the weakest minor leagues we've seen in my lifetime. Iriarte similarly looked bad. At least his arm looked decent, can't complain about that, but he couldn't throw strikes. They made him look better by holding him at AA. Maybe Thorpe comes back in 2026 from TJS with a much stronger fastball and is a better pitcher? I will say that maybe he could be a Tommy Kahnle type reliever who throws 50% changeups if he picks up a few mph on his fastball out of the bullpen, but the Drew Thorpe we saw last year isn't even a AAA quality starter. As of right now, I see 0 decent big leaguers out of that trade and I think anyone who points to "5 games by Drew Thorpe where his BABIP was .150" didn't pay any attention to the games he pitched. You can't win baseball as a fly ball pitcher getting 3 strikeouts and 3 walks in 6 innings. And that's not even counting the fact that it seems like Thorpe will burn through his first 2 pre-arb seasons rehabbing from TJS. So yeah, I think this fall we are sitting there saying that there is 0 return from those 2 trades. What happens if both Montgomerys struggle this year? One stank last year and one was hurt, I like the gamble but I don't know what he will do as he's never played in the minor leagues. If the entire White Sox's system is 2 catchers and 2 LHPs, this is a 60 win team max until they move to Nashville. And then we'll still hear how the GM has done a fine job and shouldnt' be criticized. Just like now. Almost as if people have reasons to support him beyond their own eyes.

163 to 14 total yards...

Coming back from this would be more shocking than the Pats over the Falcons...

"Right now, the White Sox seem really likely to have traded away Cease and Fedde and Kopech without literally anything of value in return." The exaggeration and ignoring of facts and reality by the doomsayers and complainers on this board is incredible, just incredible. Now I get the complaining about the Fedde/ Kopech trade; I can't start to justify that one. But again there is no real evidence that the Sox lost the Cease trade, none! It very possible that the Sox might resoundingly win that trade. The evidence for that being a Sox win is every bit as strong as the evidence that the Sox lost it. But still people with their negativity agenda have to continue to warp facts and info. First of all, that people are citing Steve Wilson as evidence that the Sox lost that trade, that is totally ridiculous. Wilson from the start was a 100% a throw-in of no value. People saying the Sox lost the Cease trade because Wilson was cut, is exactly like saying the Sox lost the Chris Sale trade because Victor Diaz never made it to the majors. Both players were throw-ins, none factors in the trades. So Thorpe and Iriarte are "without anything literally of value"? Really, really? Are you going to maybe admit that there's a little, tiny smidgen of exaggeration there, maybe some hyperbole, or a total misrepresentation of the true; because i'm going with the last one, the misrepresentation thing. It's funny how in "without anything literally of value", the poster is willing to declare a 20 year old prospect loaded with talent as a bust, but at the same time ignoring a five game stretch of pitching by Thorpe, as a rookie, that was way, way better than any sort of five game stretch Cease achieve in his first couple years. That five game stretch and Iriarte's 55 level fastball, slider, and changeup (that's right off MLB.com), and Zavala's athletic talent, I think that those are things literally very much of value. But go ahead and dismiss the trade as a loss because of Victor Diaz, oops, I meant Steve Wilson.

Anti-semitism isn’t allowed here.

"Stars" is really pushing the definition...

Harold makes fun of others, but his track record as a prospect guru is pretty lame.

This was about 12 names light. Sigh.

The fact that the Padres have no confidence in their own ability to draft and develop somebody with even the limited expectations that Sheets carries telegraphs trouble in the Padre organization. If I had even a passing rooting interest in that team, I would be really concerned. And depressed.

Need Caulfields take here.

This is madness. The guy hit .187 with a .641 OPS. Let’s pretend Zavala was still on some other team. If we were talking about guys to acquire for Robert, not one person would be thrilled with getting back Zavala for him. People would be wondering why we would take back such a bust prospect for Robert. The only reason people are “hopeful” about Zavala is because we are stuck with him now and if he doesn’t pan out, the Cease trade looks even worse than it already does.

It's not.

I don’t have a lot of faith in him but he shouldn’t be completely written off yet. I hope he proves me wrong.

His BABIP was .234 last season. That is the 7th lowest in all of minor league baseball for hitters with 400+ plate appearances. Obviously I have no context around what drove that, but it’s well below his career marks up until that point. More likely than not, that figure will normalize quite a bit next year. Doesn’t change the fact it’s a red flag, but I’d rather have a prospect with a low BABIP than one with a super high K rate.

How many current big leaguers do you think ever had a full season at a minor league level where they hit under .180?

Nah, everything is fine. Sox player development will fix him, just like they always do.

I'm not even defending anything. I'm just saying I don't think an NRI makes the team. Why so defensive. Every time you call me naive I've been right and you've been wrong . Sox history ?? Sox history of what ?? An NRI infielder making the team ? In the last 3 years can you give me the history of every NRI position player and which of them made the team ?? Mike Moustaskas last year umm nooo.

Drury seems like a decent enough of a flip candidate. Realistically, the guys he’d be “blocking” aren’t going to be part of the next contention window, anyways, so I don’t really see the big fuss there.

No need to be depressed. You have to be able to laugh at things, especially things that don’t really matter- like sports.

Hasnt happened yet. Truth or not ? Your crystal ball is irrelevant.

Bulls were up 24. They lost by 21

You are correct. Washington said it would be built across the street from the original park or he would tell his people on the Stadium Authority to vote 'no.'

Gamble is a guy that I could see the Sox either popping at 1-10 or, more likely, trying to float down to 2-1 with an over slot bonus. Midwest kid, stays in the middle of the field w/upside. Thanks for sharing.

Damn, Jerry's about to make $4k more from me in beer sales.

The one positive, is if you got this and went to all the games, that's 27 games you don't have to hear Schriffen.

Enjoy the cold weather, rainouts, and bad baseball! What a deal!