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Fine with Brooks going down, but my god hurry up Tauchman so Palicios will go away.

Absolutely not. Dude is 32.5 years old and has no control left.

What Sox fans are so ingrateful. 116-255 is a perfectly fine record, and the organization should be proud. Now regarding Vargas, he’s played really well lately. Hopefully he can keep it up. Clearly what was getting him out before isn’t now.

I like how active this FO office when it comes to adding depth and mixing up the bottom of the roster. A rebuilding team should totally be doing this but I hope it continues when they’re competitive as well. I have no problem with them taking a flyer on Houser. They need someone who can come in and eat innings to save the bullpen.

Here’s your context: Houser’s wife was in labor on Saturday. I was told that he was starting tomorrow when I first heard about the signing on Saturday. He flew in last night.

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It's funny how similar the orioles rebuild path has taken to the White Sox.

Bad relievers will also make me hate them.

An offense that sucks will make you really hate your relievers

Martin looks awesome

vaughn sure does do a number on the worms.

I never expected Luis Robert to turn into Billy Hamilton, but here we are.

I'd like to see them bring up Fletcher and/or Julks. Each is having a good year; each was traded for so the Sox saw something in them. With all of the mess that was the 2024 season, perhaps they should get another look before rendering definitive judgments. Slater and Tauchman have each been around MLB for a number of years, and neither has ever been a full-time starter. They see to be similar offensive players, neither with much power and one RH and one LH. I guess the idea is to platoon those 2 eventually. But I just don't know what that does for us.

Yeah, I don't expect him to be much but I'm just tired of Vaughn. Guy was below average and just trending downward ever since. Maybe you get a couple Palka type seasons out of Elko. Maybe not. Still would rather find out than watch anymore Vaughn.

Vargas has been the biggest success story of the year (obviously assuming his better play sticks). For as bad as the Sox have been, Meidroth/Quero/Vargas/Smith/Cannon having major league success has helped soften the blow for me.

Vargas wins AL Player of the Week honors. Smith with some competition for the Sox ASG rep if he stays hot?

Yeah a youth movement requires youth who will be long term starters. Baldwin could be a guy who helps a team, but I don't think he is a guy worth building around. He seems like even if he is a starter somewhere, he would be a guy you are trying to upgrade over. Utility guy seems like a solid ceiling. For a team like this one, that has value and would be a positive development, but when you talk about the future of the White Sox, Baldwin is not a guy who you are penciling in somewhere long term.

I like the idea of him more than what he’s actually been. Still has potential but needs a lot of work.

He is ultimately going to be a utility guy. He has just been playing outfield way too much. Needs work out there, and let him go mash in Charlotte for a month or two.

I call it "worst season of all time syndrome"

Good. Anything they get from him should be considered a bonus IMO.

It's about fucking time a player on our team realized how to pull the ball for power. It has never been more important for players at every position. Defenses, even with the shift rules, are still converting more balls into outs then ever. You gotta lift the ball, especially in our stadium where a lot of long fly balls will go over the fence all summer.

Ok, when 4-5 core players forget to play the professional game that pays them very well, my first thought isn’t “they should hire new scouts and not get players with weaknesses”. why? Because all players have weaknesses and a wholesale change of scouts isn’t gonna make your players remember how to play. at some point this type of response has to end in this forum. Both players AND organizations have responsibility in development and the last five years we have been shown both through results and ex players and coaches comments that this organization is YEARS if not decades behind their competitors in regards to development. When the players just en masse start falling off, I can’t keep saying it’s the players. There is a significant part of this process that the Sox are missing and NOW we have to trust them to get this right

And if the people in charge of their development, somehow aren't able to do that job of development, they probably shouldn't be in jobs that involve evaluating and getting the most of young talent.

I’m not real angry. I’m sports angry. Also part of the fun is wanting to see a team fail as much as you want to see your team succeed.

I don’t agree at all that Vargas is some lynchpin for the short and long term viability of this team. Chances are that when the Sox finally get good, he will just be a guy that was here when they were bad

anyone ever tell ya you're quite impolite? i think you should chill out.

You guys are silly. I on the other hand, didn't watch a single inning this week end. The Cubs are good, but they need another starter to win it all. We need about 7 more good players. Go cut the grass and drink 2-3 Falstaffs. Next year we'll be a little better.

Because this is a white Sox discussion board and the only thing to discuss is how awful this team is. What’s so hard to understand about that?

I really don’t think this team needs to acquire yet another 34 year old veteran that should have already retired.

If the Bears move out there I betcha the Sox follow suit. It will be a glorious district for baseball/football. Kind of a hassle getting out there. I never liked that drive from western suburbs to O'Hare or the horse track. Scary drive.

Everyone repeat after me: The Sox are NOT MOVING TO ARLINGTON HEIGHTS. Outside of the first couple of seasons and after a WS title (if that ever happens again), they would never get close to averaging 30k a game over an 81 game home schedule (which is what it would take to reach 2.5M annual attendance) at a suburban location that is only convenient to those who live in or near the NW suburbs. I grew up in the NW suburbs and love the area, but it would be a total disaster for the franchise. Even if there's a decent # of Sox fans in the NW suburbs. No way it's even close to half the baseball fans out there. And people who live in the city or SW/South suburbs? You can forget about drawing them to more than a couple of games a year. That's writing off a huge chunk of their fan base. The next long term home for the Sox is either going to be at 35th and Shields or at the 78. Not AH, not Tinley Park, and not Nashville.

The Rangers have only ever played in Arlington (unless you count the time they were named the Washington Senators).

None of which bothers him, unless it's that dastardly private equity. Then its the most abominable evil known to mankind.

What makes no sense is how someone would want Jerry Reinsdorf to stay the owner over literally anyone else. Makes me think it’s all just one big disturbing attempt to troll everyone for his own jollies.

It’s not even worth arguing with that sewing machine salesman/nepo baby nonsense. Absolute garbage

Apparently, the very same owner who worked the “sweetheart deal” regarding taxpayer funding for his ballpark in which he he pays minimal rent while keeping all revenue from ticket sales, parking, concessions, and merchandise isn’t a greedy billionaire…

Wanting them to sign high priced talent and wanting Jerry to be the owner severely contradicts one another.

You do realize that when a franchise is worth $2 billion, that any owner, by definition, will be a greedy billionaire owner, right?

Let’s all remember there was a small one person movement a few months ago to change this team to a packers “fan owned” model. just thought that should be mentioned here no reason why

Jerry is one of the richest, most ruthless, and successful real estate developers in the history of Chicago, who parlayed that success into convincing other people to pay for a vast majority of the White Sox so he could operate them as his own vanity project. If a guy like Justin Ishbia has a playbook, it’s because a guy like Jerry wrote every page for him. If you demonize Ishbia, you accidentally demonize Jerry, because they are the same person, doing the same things to get and stay rich.

lol I can't imagine any reason why anyone would defend Reinsdorf and not want a new owner and then there's tray.

Doesn’t Jerry Reinsdorf live in that other White Sox fan bastion called Highland Park, just 10 minutes away from Winnetka?

Hello pot, I'm kettle.

A third of the Chicago market is larger than the entire Nasville metro area. The moment JR is no longer the controlling partner the entire fanbase will be instantly invigorated. There is no greater untapped market than right here. Ishba has to see the goldmine he'd be acquiring. As jaded as the Sox fan base is, if the Sox suddnely start operating like a modern large market team under new ownership, it won't take long for the fans to buy in. I honestly believe that.

What free stadium in Nashville? Their government has said they have no money to give, they spent everything on the Titans new stadium. They're not moving to Nashville, let's get that idea out of our collective heads.

I think the City should just annex Arlington Heights. It's a pointless place. It only exists to siphon off tax revenue to spend on...god knows what

The Sox and Bears both belong in Arlington or Naperville. Bears have all this land in Arlington to build a Cowboys-like compound. The Sox need to get out of a city with major major problems and head to suburbia. Go in with the Bears for sure.