Flash Tizzle

I do like how this is all accelerating and everything is coming out.

I thought it was flavum making up something, but the podcast headline is about a Grandal/Anderson physical altercation

If that’s it, I believe it’s fair. It acknowledges Ramirez started everything by mouthing off, approaching Anderson, then pointing a finger near his face. However, if it had ended there; would anything have happened? Maybe an ejection for Ramirez. Maybe. I would doubt anything more. But cmon, Anderson escalated it to being physical. If anything, he deserves even more time for wobbling down like Glass Joe after the punch to his face

I could see them having a few current players speak to the media in support of Grifol. To atleast give the illusion everything is ok and they publicly support their manager

These players look at the top and see a cheap owner who doesn’t seem to care, followed by a GM who has made minimal efforts to improve the roster during a supposed “championship window.” Then add in TLR’s hiring followed by Grifol’s low-energy hire. No one above them seemingly cares about winning or going outside their comfort zone. So the players of course, like our own children, push the boundaries. Who is going to say otherwise?

excellent. No way to spin this now, not just a lowly reliever commenting on these team issues.

Unloading Moncada should be our top offseason priority. It sure as hell won’t be building a contender. I’m sure the biggest problem is that JR will not be willing to eat much of the contract. If we were willing to pay half, someone/somewhere will find a spot for him in their infield.

You’re probably not going to get the corroboration you're looking for. IMO what’s more important is to look for players outside the organization (Kuechel, Gio, Lynn) and how they respond. If they respond at all. Realistically, we cannot expect someone on the team to say anything but positive remarks. It’s easy to believe Middleton because it would just go in line with everything we observe with the team. Also, it’s another embarrassing story about the team and at this point we’re all behind anything that may possibly lead to wholesale changes in the organization

Whatever the reason, Anderson embarrassed himself by starting the fight then being knocked on his ass. I felt like his reaction after the scuffle was only because his pride (and face) took a hit

I was thinking this as well. She is just summarizing everything instead of saying, well I talked with KW who talked with Hahn,who talked with me, who talked with JR who then gave approval for the trade. If there was some change behind the scenes, would anyone else be surprised that nothing leaked? That it would be a small quote from Kim Ng that broke it wide open? There was a ton of trade discussions across numerous teams. Some GM would have leaked the info to the media that Hahn isn’t involved in trade discussions, I’m sure.

Before that, Hahn should contact teams like Tampa or Atlanta with the false idea the White Sox are buyers and have a chance to compete with a couple shrewd trades. Then when those teams come to us with their proposals, after having scoured whatever “talent” is available in the minors, we tell them we’ve decided to change course and keep the players they’ve identified. Now we atleast know from trusted organizations who has potential! From there, trade whatever value we can receive for the players with 1 or 2 years left on their contracts

Ideally, Gio continues pitching well enough to unload him midseason to a contender. It’s better than playing the game of, will the White Sox offer him a qualifying offer or not after the season for the draft pick.

Every day that passes with an embarrassing loss and another story of dysfunction within the team, I believe we are accelerating towards Hahn’s (at a minimum) resignation/termination. Before this week, I would have expected Hahn to survive the season. This is different, though. It’s definitely building; this anger among the Sox fans is unlike anything I've ever seen.

“On field delay” Has the uprising begun?

Lol. Can someone explain how it happened? Did Sosa just catch the ball and stare off into the stands?

Hahn has said everything he possibly can on the issue of this team. At the point, unless he’s delivering a statement to announce his resignation/termination, I don’t want to hear another damn word out of his mouth.

I definitely believe these last few weeks have accelerated Hahn’s fate. Mediocrity is job security with the White Sox; and he couldn’t even do that. You can definitely see the anger building amongst the fans. Even the national media is noticing this mess. If he fires Hahn midseason, there’s too little time to find the replacement and allow whomever time to rebuild. You don’t give that responsibility to an interim hire. They’ll have to devote several weeks to the sham search before hiring another lackey like Chris Getz. Which leads us to the realization that, regardless of the person in charge, a Reinsdorf hire will follow the bosses’ philosophies. Hahn will be fired upwards and the fans will pat themselves thinking they’ve made some change. Honestly, there are no paths forward that look good for this team. Whatever good comes of Hahns firing and a potential rebuild of a rebuild will be pure luck.

The season isn’t mathematically over, but it’s over. Same team, same issues; it’s not worth investing time and money into this season. I’m done hoping for things to work themselves out with these players. I don’t really believe rooting for them to lose helps either, unless that path is the one most likely to lead to Hahn’s firing. Which is, what maybe a 10% chance of happening?

If the Bears believe Young at QB + whatever draft capital is gained from trading Fields, is greater than Fields at QB and #1 draft capital, they have to do it. They can’t be worried about perception. Especially if Young is believed to be a generational talent

I am very grateful for what I have, but I’m also capable of noticing a problem with our ownership. I also really don’t care about potential tax hits for Reinsdorf or any other investors if they sell. Too bad; he should network himself further with the local/national politician to change the tax laws. Or just hire the right accountants to exploit loop holes, like every other wealthy businessman. He can figure it out, every other owner/ownership group who sold their team in the history of sports did before him. It’s not an impossible task

Of course the billboard is not going to affect JR one way or another, but that shouldn’t be a reason not to support it. We throw away more money any given day on non essential nonsense. You know what else is a waste of time? Posting here. Whats the use on discussing anything anyway, what is it going to accomplish!?! And consider the time many have devoted here. Literally 20 years for myself lol. This billboard is our way of protest. It’ll probably get some social media exposure. Maybe an article or two is written about it, drawing more attention to the issue. We’ve already seen what the power of fan disapproval can do with the cancellation of Soxfest. And please don’t be naive enough to think it’s because of anything involving a venue or players schedules. That whole topic was memory holed fairly quickly without a decent explanation.

Let me throw out all the usual complaints right now before knowing any terms of the contract — the amount is absurd, these contracts are ruining baseball, and the last few years will provide no value for the Dodgers.

Would you mind linking the old thread? I tried searching for it and can’t find it lol

Absolutely. We didn’t need hindsight to see it was a terrible decision, either.

I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss Oakland’s return. I just can’t believe of all the possible trade partners and packages they settled on one that, at face value, doesn’t appear to been very appealing. If the White Sox had a similar return for Anderson, by all means I would have said it was robbery. Oakland atleast deserves more credit for identifying talent, even if the fans and media are suggesting otherwise