Rick Hahn Right Field Success Tracker

[bmags]

Alex Rios
Avisail Garcia
Trayce Thompson
Ryan Cordell
Danny Palka
Charlie Tilson
Nomar Mazara
Adam Eaton
Brian Goodwin
Adam Engel
Gavin Sheets
Oscar Colas
Billy Hamilton

 

 

[Dick Allen]

1 minute ago, bmags said:

Alex Rios
Avisail Garcia
Trayce Thompson
Ryan Cordell
Danny Palka
Charlie Tilson
Nomar Mazara
Adam Eaton
Brian Goodwin
Adam Engel
Gavin Sheets
Oscar Colas
Billy Hamilton

 

 

He's not much better at 2B.

[turnin' two]

10 minutes ago, bmags said:

Alex Rios
Avisail Garcia
Trayce Thompson
Ryan Cordell
Danny Palka
Charlie Tilson
Nomar Mazara
Adam Eaton
Brian Goodwin
Adam Engel
Gavin Sheets
Oscar Colas
Billy Hamilton

 

 

How dare you strike through Palka.  That breaks my heart.  

[Bob Sacamano]

When Adam Eaton played there for a year before being traded, that was probably the best we’ve had during Hahn’s stint.

[FloydBannister1983]

There was a guy on these pages that developed a spreadsheet to track the success of the rebuild trades.  It was around 2017.  I would love to find this spreadsheet and see what happened. It can’t be good.

[Kyyle23]

Can we remove “success” from the title pls thx

[Kyyle23]

25 minutes ago, FloydBannister1983 said:

There was a guy on these pages that developed a spreadsheet to track the success of the rebuild trades.  It was around 2017.  I would love to find this spreadsheet and see what happened. It can’t be good.

I believe that might be the same fella that started this thread, @bmagsis known for wild goose chases 

[bmags]

1 minute ago, Kyyle23 said:

I believe that might be the same fella that started this thread, @bmagsis known for wild goose chases 

I did one tracking his free agent signings. It took so long not sure I have interest in updating 4 more years lol

[wegner]

40 minutes ago, turnin' two said:

How dare you strike through Palka.  That breaks my heart.  

Fat Palka was fun....Skinny Palka sucked

[Bob Sacamano]

3 minutes ago, bmags said:

I did one tracking his free agent signings. It took so long not sure I have interest in updating 4 more years lol

And we all know it is horrible enough to not even put in the work for it lol

[Tnetennba]

Is there a negative WAR stat equivalent for GM track records?  Because...

[Greg Hibbard]

No Leury? He played RF in certain crucial situations…with massively catastrophic results 😂

[Chick Mercedes]

Perhaps the approach toward candidates  needs a slight tweak.

[chitownsportsfan]

Rios really doesn't belong to be fair. He was a good player for most of his time here.

[South Side Hit Men]

White Sox Right Fielder Appearances (2013 - April 30, 2023):

1. 467 Avisail Garcia (2013 - 2018)
2. 176 Adam Eaton (2016 & 2021)
3. 122 Leury Garcia (2014 & 2017 - 2022)
4. 108 Alex Rios (2013)
5. 103 Gavin Sheets (2021 - 2023)
6. 90 Adam Engel (2020 - 2022)
7. 84 Davan Viciedo (2014)
8. 81 Ryan Cordell (2018 - 2019)
9. 66 Daniel Palka (2018 - 2019)
10. 64 Moises Sierra (2014)
11. 63 Andrew Vaughn (2021 - 2022)
12. 51 Trayce Thompson (2015 & 2018)
13. 43 Brian Goodwin (2021)
14. 42 Nomar Mazara (2020)
15. 33 John Jay (2019)
16. 30 Charlie Tilson (2019)
17. 29 JB Shuck (2015 - 2016)
18. 28 Jordan Danks (2013 - 2014)
19. 21 Oscar Colas (2023)
20. 18 Alen Hanson (2017)
21. 17 Willy Garcia (2017)
22. 14 AJ Pollock (2022)
23. 11 Jason Coats (2016)
24. 11 Romy Gonzalez (2021 - 2023)
25. 9 Casper Wells (2013)
26. 9 Jake Lamb (2021)
27. 9 Adam Haseley (2022 - 2023)
28. 8 Danny Mendick (2021)
29. 7 Rymer Liriano (2017)
30. 7 Ryan Goins (2019)
31. 4 Ryan LaMarre (2018)
32. 4 Nicky Delmonico (2020)
33. 3 Luis Gonzalez (2021)
34. 3 Mark Payton (2022)
35. 3 Eloy Jimenez (2023)
36. 2 Adam Dunn (2014) 
37. 2 Jacob May (2017)
38. 2 Billy Hamilton (2021)
39. 1 Dewayne Wise (2013)
40. 1 Alejandro De Aza (2014)
41. 1 Tyler Saladino (2016)
42. 1 Jerry Sands (2016)
43. 1 Yolmer Sanchez (2017)
44. 1 Jarrod Dyson (2020)

Edited May 2, 2023 by South Side Hit Men

[MiddleCoastBias]

48 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

White Sox Right Fielder Appearances (2013 - April 30, 2023):

1. 467 Avisail Garcia (2013 - 2018)
2. 176 Adam Eaton (2016 & 2021)
3. 122 Leury Garcia (2014 & 2017 - 2022)
4. 108 Alex Rios (2013)
5. 103 Gavin Sheets (2021 - 2023)
6. 90 Adam Engel (2020 - 2022)
7. 84 Davan Viciedo (2014)
8. 81 Ryan Cordell (2018 - 2019)
9. 66 Daniel Palka (2018 - 2019)
10. 64 Moises Sierra (2014)
11. 63 Andrew Vaughn (2021 - 2022)
12. 51 Trayce Thompson (2015 & 2018)
13. 43 Brian Goodwin (2021)
14. 42 Nomar Mazara (2020)
15. 33 John Jay (2019)
16. 30 Charlie Tilson (2019)
17. 29 JB Shuck (2015 - 2016)
18. 28 Jordan Danks (2013 - 2014)
19. 21 Oscar Colas (2023)
20. 18 Alen Hanson (2017)
21. 17 Willy Garcia (2017)
22. 14 AJ Pollock (2022)
23. 11 Jason Coats (2016)
24. 11 Romy Gonzalez (2021 - 2023)
25. 9 Casper Wells (2013)
26. 9 Jake Lamb (2021)
27. 9 Adam Haseley (2022 - 2023)
28. 8 Danny Mendick (2021)
29. 7 Rymer Liriano (2017)
30. 7 Ryan Goins (2019)
31. 4 Ryan LaMarre (2018)
32. 4 Nicky Delmonico (2020)
33. 3 Luis Gonzalez (2021)
34. 3 Mark Payton (2022)
35. 3 Eloy Jimenez (2023)
36. 2 Adam Dunn (2014) 
37. 2 Jacob May (2017)
38. 2 Billy Hamilton (2021)
39. 1 Dewayne Wise (2013)
40. 1 Alejandro De Aza (2014)
41. 1 Tyler Saladino (2016)
42. 1 Jerry Sands (2016)
43. 1 Yolmer Sanchez (2017)
44. 1 Jarrod Dyson (2020)

Thanks, I hate it.

(Adam Dunn for 2! Wonder which NL team that was against)

[Bob Sacamano]

1 hour ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Rios really doesn't belong to be fair. He was a good player for most of his time here.

I think it’s just a list of RF’rs during Hahn’s time as GM. Not necessarily a list of bad ones (even though it mostly is haha)

[Tnetennba]

12 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said:

White Sox Right Fielder Appearances (2013 - April 30, 2023):

1. 467 Avisail Garcia (2013 - 2018)
2. 176 Adam Eaton (2016 & 2021)
3. 122 Leury Garcia (2014 & 2017 - 2022)
4. 108 Alex Rios (2013)
5. 103 Gavin Sheets (2021 - 2023)
6. 90 Adam Engel (2020 - 2022)
7. 84 Davan Viciedo (2014)
8. 81 Ryan Cordell (2018 - 2019)
9. 66 Daniel Palka (2018 - 2019)
10. 64 Moises Sierra (2014)
11. 63 Andrew Vaughn (2021 - 2022)
12. 51 Trayce Thompson (2015 & 2018)
13. 43 Brian Goodwin (2021)
14. 42 Nomar Mazara (2020)
15. 33 John Jay (2019)
16. 30 Charlie Tilson (2019)
17. 29 JB Shuck (2015 - 2016)
18. 28 Jordan Danks (2013 - 2014)
19. 21 Oscar Colas (2023)
20. 18 Alen Hanson (2017)
21. 17 Willy Garcia (2017)
22. 14 AJ Pollock (2022)
23. 11 Jason Coats (2016)
24. 11 Romy Gonzalez (2021 - 2023)
25. 9 Casper Wells (2013)
26. 9 Jake Lamb (2021)
27. 9 Adam Haseley (2022 - 2023)
28. 8 Danny Mendick (2021)
29. 7 Rymer Liriano (2017)
30. 7 Ryan Goins (2019)
31. 4 Ryan LaMarre (2018)
32. 4 Nicky Delmonico (2020)
33. 3 Luis Gonzalez (2021)
34. 3 Mark Payton (2022)
35. 3 Eloy Jimenez (2023)
36. 2 Adam Dunn (2014) 
37. 2 Jacob May (2017)
38. 2 Billy Hamilton (2021)
39. 1 Dewayne Wise (2013)
40. 1 Alejandro De Aza (2014)
41. 1 Tyler Saladino (2016)
42. 1 Jerry Sands (2016)
43. 1 Yolmer Sanchez (2017)
44. 1 Jarrod Dyson (2020)

I can’t believe this list is making me pine for the days of Avisail Garcia.  Yikes.  For all of the s%*# Hahn has thrown out in RF, Gavin Sheets could be #2 on this list by summer’s end.  If that’s not the biggest indictment I don’t know what is. 

[Snopek]

13 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said:

White Sox Right Fielder Appearances (2013 - April 30, 2023):

1. 467 Avisail Garcia (2013 - 2018)
2. 176 Adam Eaton (2016 & 2021)
3. 122 Leury Garcia (2014 & 2017 - 2022)
4. 108 Alex Rios (2013)
5. 103 Gavin Sheets (2021 - 2023)
6. 90 Adam Engel (2020 - 2022)
7. 84 Davan Viciedo (2014)
8. 81 Ryan Cordell (2018 - 2019)
9. 66 Daniel Palka (2018 - 2019)
10. 64 Moises Sierra (2014)
11. 63 Andrew Vaughn (2021 - 2022)
12. 51 Trayce Thompson (2015 & 2018)
13. 43 Brian Goodwin (2021)
14. 42 Nomar Mazara (2020)
15. 33 John Jay (2019)
16. 30 Charlie Tilson (2019)
17. 29 JB Shuck (2015 - 2016)
18. 28 Jordan Danks (2013 - 2014)
19. 21 Oscar Colas (2023)
20. 18 Alen Hanson (2017)
21. 17 Willy Garcia (2017)
22. 14 AJ Pollock (2022)
23. 11 Jason Coats (2016)
24. 11 Romy Gonzalez (2021 - 2023)
25. 9 Casper Wells (2013)
26. 9 Jake Lamb (2021)
27. 9 Adam Haseley (2022 - 2023)
28. 8 Danny Mendick (2021)
29. 7 Rymer Liriano (2017)
30. 7 Ryan Goins (2019)
31. 4 Ryan LaMarre (2018)
32. 4 Nicky Delmonico (2020)
33. 3 Luis Gonzalez (2021)
34. 3 Mark Payton (2022)
35. 3 Eloy Jimenez (2023)
36. 2 Adam Dunn (2014) 
37. 2 Jacob May (2017)
38. 2 Billy Hamilton (2021)
39. 1 Dewayne Wise (2013)
40. 1 Alejandro De Aza (2014)
41. 1 Tyler Saladino (2016)
42. 1 Jerry Sands (2016)
43. 1 Yolmer Sanchez (2017)
44. 1 Jarrod Dyson (2020)

I see this list with my own eyes, yet I still believe that most of these guys are the same person.

[bmags]

45 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

I can’t believe this list is making me pine for the days of Avisail Garcia.  Yikes.  For all of the s%*# Hahn has thrown out in RF, Gavin Sheets could be #2 on this list by summer’s end.  If that’s not the biggest indictment I don’t know what is. 

I looked up Avis stats and, boy. You can tell Kim Ng came from the white Sox. Great signing.

[South Side Hit Men]

12 hours ago, MiddleCoastBias said:

Thanks, I hate it.

(Adam Dunn for 2! Wonder which NL team that was against)

Back to back games in San Francisco, a few weeks before being traded to the Bay Area (Oakland).

2 Run first inning HR on August 12 3-2 Sox win.

The price to pay came the following day with a Dunn error. Sox were up 1-0 heading into the 7th, but San Francisco scored 7 in the bottom half including 2 on Dunn's error with no runs the remainder of the game,

 

41 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

I can’t believe this list is making me pine for the days of Avisail Garcia.  Yikes.  For all of the s%*# Hahn has thrown out in RF, Gavin Sheets could be #2 on this list by summer’s end.  If that’s not the biggest indictment I don’t know what is. 

Hoping Billy Hamilton busts a move and gets into the Top 24, and also makes significant strides spelling Luis Robert for much needed rest (3-4 off days a month) with plus defense while he is out.

 

[South Side Hit Men]

2 minutes ago, bmags said:

I looked up Avis stats and, boy. You can tell Kim Ng came from the white Sox. Great signing.

Derek made most of the major calls including this one before stepping down when 2022 Spring Training began.

It would be fair to see how she does calling the shots over the next few years with full authority over baseball operations (with Caroline O'Connor overseeing business operations) and working with a limited payroll ($92M / 23rd).

[caulfield12]

20 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

He's not much better at 2B.

Wasn't the DH spot from Dunn through LaRoche through Alonso a net negative during most of Hahn's tenure? 

Also had to be bottom quintile in the majors offensively, along with RF, 2B and maybe 3B. 

[South Side Hit Men]

6 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Wasn't the DH spot from Dunn through LaRoche through Alonso a net negative during most of Hahn's tenure? 

Also had to be bottom quintile in the majors offensively, along with RF, 2B and maybe 3B. 

White Sox with most appearances at DH by season (2013 - May 2, 2023)

Year Player (bWAR, Contract)

• 2013 Adam Dunn (0.2, $15.0M)
• 2014 Adam Dunn (0.7, $15.0M)
• 2015 Adam LaRoche (-0.7, $12.0M)
• 2016 * Avisail Garcia (0.9. $2.1M)
• 2017 Matt Davidson (-0.7, $0.5M)
• 2018 Matt Davidson (0.6, $0.6M)
• 2019 Yonder Alonso (-1.0, $8.0M)
• 2020 Edwin Encarnacion (-0.3, $12.0M)
• 2021 Yermin Mercedes (0.5, $0.6M)
• 2022 Eloy Jimenez (1.7, $7.3M)
• 2023 Eloy Jimenez (YTD 0.0, $10.3M)

Average Season: 0.2 (plus (1/11) +/- of Eloy's remaining 2023) & $7.58M

Note *: In 2016, Adam LaRoche gave up $13M voluntarily to avoid spending another second in the White Sox organization.

[caulfield12]

16 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

White Sox with most appearances at DH by season (2013 - May 2, 2023)

Year Player (bWAR, Contract)

• 2013 Adam Dunn (0.2, $15.0M)
• 2014 Adam Dunn (0.7, $15.0M)
• 2015 Adam LaRoche (-0.7, $12.0M)
• 2016 * Avisail Garcia (0.9. $2.1M)
• 2017 Matt Davidson (-0.7, $0.5M)
• 2018 Matt Davidson (0.6, $0.6M)
• 2019 Yonder Alonso (-1.0, $8.0M)
• 2020 Edwin Encarnacion (-0.3, $12.0M)
• 2021 Yermin Mercedes (0.5, $0.6M)
• 2022 Eloy Jimenez (1.7, $7.3M)
• 2023 Eloy Jimenez (YTD 0.0, $10.3M)

Average Season: 0.2 (plus (1/11) +/- of Eloy's remaining 2023) & $7.58M

Note *: In 2016, Adam LaRoche gave up $13M voluntarily to avoid spending another second in the White Sox organization.

Going from Crede/Uribe in 2008 to Moncada's 2019 at third base leaves a similar trail of carnage. 

 

And the funny thing about RF is that Eaton did have that one high value 2016 that eventually ended up with one of the three key rebuild trades.  Avi also had ONE now clearly anomalous season statistically...but almost always inconsistent and/or injured. 

Adam never did all that well in CF... his RF arm was always a lot more accurate and took better routes off the bat typically. 

Then there's not developing our own front line starting pitchers or catchers either. 

 

Also, for a long time after Danks (technically a Ranger for McCarthy), Daniel Hudson and Hector Santiago were the only starting pitchers produced internally and Jesus Pena the best Dominican player for at least a decade...Eloy doesn't count there as he was an external add and not original signing. 

Edited May 3, 2023 by caulfield12