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KW/Hahn - They Gone


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First off, I’m ecstatic! The torturous KW/Hahn era of dogcrap baseball is over. 

Secondly, the fact that there is already chatter about Grifol, Getz and Haber keeping their jobs has me very concerned. Chris Getz hasn’t done a damn thing to prove his worth. The farm system hasn’t developed crap outside of the obvious first round draft picks. And it’s evident that Pedro is a horrible manager. Why keep him around? Unless your organizational plan is to tank in 2024? But why would there already be a “plan” without a new president of baseball ops in place? Makes me think that Jerry is likely hiring from within. 
If this is the case, nothing will change. Getz will be Rick Hahn lite. 

Until that internal hire is announced, I will cling onto hope that Jerry hires someone on the outside. A person who values player development, scouting and modern metric analysis that can compete with the likes of Tampa, Atlanta and Houston.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Let the new GM decide how to handle the coaching staff, including when and how to conduct a coaching search. 

Imagine that a GM is not officially hired until mid November. While that's a long timeline, it may not be obscenely long if this set of steps came about suddenly, or if they are waiting to interview people who are employed by teams in the playoffs. They'd immediately have to make decisions on options, protecting people for the 40 man roster, waiver wire pickups, and the rule 5 draft, with the winter meetings hitting almost immediately. That would all be happening at the same time that the GM would be taking their first steps to overhaul the staff around them.

In this case, it would not be outrageous for a GM to say that they simply weren't in a good spot to deal with a coaching search, and that a professional coaching search done at the end of 2024 would be able to be much better run and more effective than a scrambling one done in the middle of everything else. This is not a terrible situation, 2 of the few people on Earth who thought this team was competitive in 2024 were just fired, Grifol in the end will make no difference in those results. 

If they want to run a coaching search this year, they have to make sure they're in place to do it well. You don't want candidates turning you down because your GM is trying to do too many things at once. 

Didn't they say the decision would be made by the end of the season?

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9 minutes ago, joejoesox said:

It could be a total lie, Grifol could be fired at the end of the season and they're just being nice. it's not like they would announce he's being fired while he's still managing for the rest of the season lmao

that would be cold

There was no reason to leak that he was safe either. Unless he was completely safe for real. They could have let speculation run rampant if change was coming. No harm in that.

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13 minutes ago, chw42 said:

If only Rick and KW could have asked ChatGPT before they made some of their moves. 

The way large language models work is you could put in every single signing, trade, draft pick from successful and non successful franchises and create algorithms based on what’s worked and what hasn’t. Not saying you do it, but I’d bet you it would’ve outperformed Hahn.

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2 minutes ago, Saufley said:

Didn't they say the decision would be made by the end of the season?

Yeah but that's also unknowable if they didn't announce someone new today, you know that. They think they have something that makes sense, then something else happens - another job becomes available, someone gets promoted, who knows. 

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3 minutes ago, Chick Mercedes said:

There was no reason to leak that he was safe either. Unless he was completely safe for real. They could have let speculation run rampant if change was coming. No harm in that.

and if that is the case, Grifol is here for 2024 and they're announcing that now, it's gonna be Getz

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1 minute ago, Balta1701 said:

Yeah but that's also unknowable if they didn't announce someone new today, you know that. They think they have something that makes sense, then something else happens - another job becomes available, someone gets promoted, who knows. 

Yeah, Steve Stone probably wants more time to think about the offer.

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1 minute ago, Chick Mercedes said:

There was no reason to leak that he was safe either. Unless he was completely safe for real. They could have let speculation run rampant if change was coming. No harm in that.

He is safe for now. JR didn’t want to pay another intern guy. But keep in mind, there was a report not too long ago where JR didn’t seem too enamored with Pedro. Certainly not at the level that Hahn and KW were. Ultimately the new GM decides who the manager is. 

I like Randy Flores for the job. He can draft. If the Sox can start drafting correctly and actually he very good at it, that will lead to sustained success.

Hahn has a lot of time now to find a parade.

 

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Great news!

Also love that the Sox (finally) do the right thing and most fans just graduate to complaining about Getz/Faber/Grifol.  JR will likely f*** it up, but lets at least let it happen first.  You can't fire everyone before the season ends, and I would imagine whoever they hire is going to decide if Pedro is the guy or not. 

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