Non-Tender 11/17

[flavum]

Got a week…

Candidates?

Additions to not be exposed to Rule 5?

40 man is at 35.

Any educated guesses would be appreciated.

[South Side Hit Men]

Below are the players eligible for the December 2023 Rule 5 Draft per FanGraphs. I would assume they will add Veras, Eder and Mena.

https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/depth-charts/white-sox

• Catchers Ivan Gonzalez; Victor Torres; Luis Pineda
• Shortstop Wilbur Sanchez
• Outfielders Wilfred Veras, DJ Gladney, James Beard
• Starters Jake Eder, Cristian Mena, Matthew Thompson, Chase Solesky, Juan Carela, Manuel Volez, Andrew Dalquist, Jose Jimenez.
• Relivers Caleb Freeman, Andrew Perez, Adisyn Coffee, Jeremiah Burke, Kade Mechals.

[Quin]

Longshot: I can see Carela being added.

[ChiSox59]

I think Matt Foster is the only real non-tender candidate.  He'll be just a bit over league min, so depending on how his rehab is progressing, Sox aren't really in a position to be punting off potential relievers. Sox also in not really in a position to non-tender Touki, and I think he earned another look.  

[Sleepy Harold]

I'd add Eder and Mena and call it a day. I like Veras but don't think another team would select him in the ML portion. There's enough fat on the 40-man that adding him is fine, I just think the likelihood of a selection is low. 

[Springfield Soxfan]

My guess is Thompson gets added. 

[Quin]

50 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said:

I'd add Eder and Mena and call it a day. I like Veras but don't think another team would select him in the ML portion. There's enough fat on the 40-man that adding him is fine, I just think the likelihood of a selection is low. 

Counterpoint: If Getz's tenure begins with another org taking a Tatis family member and suddenly they go supernova, well...

[Sleepy Harold]

35 minutes ago, Quin said:

Counterpoint: If Getz's tenure begins with another org taking a Tatis family member and suddenly they go supernova, well...

Sure that would obviously be a bad outcome in what would further the darkest timeline of White Sox fandom. I just don't believe a team would select and keep a fringey LF/DH on a ML roster all year long. If they add him to the 40 that's great, I like Veras and given the circumstances of the roster there should be enough space, I just don't think he'd be selected.  

[Quin]

40 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said:

Sure that would obviously be a bad outcome in what would further the darkest timeline of White Sox fandom. I just don't believe a team would select and keep a fringey LF/DH on a ML roster all year long. If they add him to the 40 that's great, I like Veras and given the circumstances of the roster there should be enough space, I just don't think he'd be selected.  

Man I was being sarcastic.

[caulfield12]

Another wasted Friends & Family move to add Elijah.

He might have been the only hitter in Sox recently history to be eclipsed by Korey Lee.

 

Caruso and Esteban Beltre ran laps around Elijah, comparatively.

[Polar Bear]

Eder, Mena, Carela, Veras and Gladney are must keeps and will be added to protect them.  Only one that I would risk of those 5 is Gladney just bc someone ain't wasting a 25 man spot on him yet, the others certainly could be lost 

[Timmy U]

I'd non-tender a ton of guys off this horrible roster. These are 31 guys I'd protect:

1. Banks, lhp
2. Bummer, lhp
3. Juan Carela, rhp
4. Cease, rhp
5. Crochet, lhp
6. Jake Eder, LHP
7. Deivi Garcia, rhp
8. Kopech, rhp
9. Lambert, rhp
10. Davis Martin, rhp 
11. Christian Mena, rhp
12. Lane Ramsey, rhp
13. Sammy Peralta, lhp
14. Gregory Santos, rhp
15. Jesse Scholtens, rhp
16. Matt Thompson, rhp
17. Touki Toussaint, rhp
18. Korey Lee, c
19. Carlos Perez, c
20. Romy Gonzalez, 2b/ss/of
21. #Moncada, 3b
22. Bryan Ramos, 3b
23. Popeye Rodriguez, 2b/ss
24. *Sheets, 1b/of
25. Sosa, 2b/ss
26. *Colas, of
27. Jimenez, of
28. Robert, of
29. Vaughn, 1b
30. *Benintendi, of
31. Wilfred Veras, of

[flavum]

40-man at 40, but dump away.

Deadline at 7 central.

Edited November 17, 2023 by flavum

[poppysox]

I love Bummer's stuff but enough is enough.  He becomes "a deer caught in the headlights" when it matters.  That we got some useful pieces is a nice surprise.

[ron883]

35 minutes ago, poppysox said:

I love Bummer's stuff but enough is enough.  He becomes "a deer caught in the headlights" when it matters.  That we got some useful pieces is a nice surprise.

"Useful" may be a stretch

[Lip Man 1]

1 hour ago, ron883 said:

"Useful" may be a stretch

Soroka in addition to the Achilles injuries was shut down in September with "forearm soreness" and you know what that means. 

[bmags]

I would not tender Romy, too injury prone.

On 11/11/2023 at 6:35 AM, Timmy U said:

I'd non-tender a ton of guys off this horrible roster. These are 31 guys I'd protect:

1. Banks, lhp
2. Bummer, lhp
3. Juan Carela, rhp
4. Cease, rhp
5. Crochet, lhp
6. Jake Eder, LHP
7. Deivi Garcia, rhp
8. Kopech, rhp
9. Lambert, rhp
10. Davis Martin, rhp 
11. Christian Mena, rhp
12. Lane Ramsey, rhp
13. Sammy Peralta, lhp
14. Gregory Santos, rhp
15. Jesse Scholtens, rhp
16. Matt Thompson, rhp
17. Touki Toussaint, rhp
18. Korey Lee, c
19. Carlos Perez, c
20. Romy Gonzalez, 2b/ss/of
21. #Moncada, 3b
22. Bryan Ramos, 3b
23. Popeye Rodriguez, 2b/ss
24. *Sheets, 1b/of
25. Sosa, 2b/ss
26. *Colas, of
27. Jimenez, of
28. Robert, of
29. Vaughn, 1b
30. *Benintendi, of
31. Wilfred Veras, of

I really don't think we need to protect Veras. Still like him, just don't think it's remotely a threat.

I agree on a lot, I'd probably lose Romy too. 

I would also keep Cronin. That's about it. 

[flavum]

Brewers non tendered Woodruff. Yeesh.

[Harold's Leg Lift]

The Reds non-tendered Nick Senzel.  I can't believe that dude hasn't hit.  He's still only 28 and I still think he has a season where he's able to stay reasonably healthy and his swing is locked in and he puts up huge numbers.  I already died on that hill so who cares. 

[Bob Sacamano]

9 minutes ago, flavum said:

Brewers non tendered Woodruff. Yeesh.

Wow. Is he hurt?

[South Side Hit Men]

5 minutes ago, flavum said:

Brewers non tendered Woodruff. Yeesh.

There is no incentive to spend more than $100M, really no incentive to spend more than $40M at this point beyond an MLB loss to the players union regarding spending of revenue sharing, beyond the handful of MLB teams each year trying to compete.

Brewers are now at $97.4M for the 2024 26 man roster per Cot's Contracts after subtracting $12.5M for Woodruff.

Wonder if the Cubs will be the only team over .500 this year in the NL Central, or whether the Cardinals will try to substantially improve to reach that low bar of three Wild Card Spot competitiveness. 

[flavum]

3 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Wow. Is he hurt?

Yes. Forgot about that.

[Sleepy Harold]

 

 

[Sleepy Harold]

So your team lost 101 games last season, not by design, and you tender every unsigned player on the 40-man a contract? I don't get that at all. I know people can be DFA'd and traded later, but I'm just confused as to why they ALL got tendered. 

[Bob Sacamano]

Just now, Sleepy Harold said:

So your team lost 101 games last season, not by design, and you tender every unsigned player on the 40-man a contract? I don't get that at all. I know people can be DFA'd and traded later, but I'm just confused as to why they ALL got tendered. 

Could have non-tendered 5 guys and no one would have given a s%*#.