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What? Lopez is a 2 win starter with tons of untapped potential and four years of team control. Plenty of teams would have interest in him. To say a worthless player like Reddick who is under control for only one more season is the best we could get (even with some pay subsidy) is quite frankly a stupid take.

I don't think Robert will be ready this season. He is still too raw and strikeouts way too much.

Only this thread?

Because they're all cheaters.

I'm not trying to get anyone to go away. I'm trying to get you to stop repeating yourself and ruining one of the few threads on this site that I honestly love. I can't even parse through this thread anymore without coming across you firing people and benching people and throwing out hot take after hot take. I avoid multiple threads for the same reason. The baseball offseason is long as fuck and now the bears suck and I have to deal with that too as well as you saying the same shit all week. Come up with another fucking talking point for Christ sake, I would rather read GoSox05 passive aggressive packers shit

Your posting sucks, end of story. You ruin threads

excuse me, theyve been renamed: the houston asterisks thank you

My "I still like the White Sox but Rick Hahn really is the Anti-Christ" clique will be meeting across the hall.

This board is becoming fucking toxic. We're all supposed to be having fun here and we're all cannibalizing each other. I feel like nobody can even make a post anymore on any forum without being attacked. Those that feel optimistic get attacked, those that feel pessimistic get attacked, those that are neutral get attacked. All have valid points. Let's stop fucking eating each other and have fun. This is supposed to be fun. It's really not anymore. I feel like I'm on a political board, that's how bad it is here. Everyone is divided into cliques, and they spew vitriol at anyone who disagrees. I used to really enjoy posting here and I don't anymore.

In this thread, people with no actual knowledge of any player's true value on the open market, will make absolute declarations about every player's value on the open market.

I don't even think it would take both. Just Lopez. Nimmo's been hurt and only had 1 good year. Lopez has more team control than Nimmo. You're over valuing Nimmo and under valuing Lopez.

So are you if you think the Mets would give up Nimmo for those 2.

You're high. I usually agree with you, but I think Lopez could get Nimmo in a 1 for 1 deal.

+100. Pretty sure all 29 clubs would have interest in Lopez if Sox were looking to trade him. He's been a top 15 pitcher in the AL both of the last two seasons per fWAR. Sox fans wildly undervalue him because he's been wildly inconsistent, and that for sure limits his value. But he's still a rock solid back of the rotation pitcher, with upper middle rotation upside, under control for 4 seasons - that has value.

I’d say that’s a good starting point, but also the forfeiture of international bonus pool and suspensions and/or bannings. They really have to make an example of these guys.

Is this where we sit at a table and pat ourselves on the back for being at the table?

Punch and pie.

Poop.

More room on the front page for your ABreu threads. Just looking out for you.

I'm in.

No.

I’d like to suggest locking this thread. Any rumors that surface can go in the specific thread for that player. Anybody agree?

Should this have been in all CAPS?

And people thought the return of Avi is a bad idea

Not a huge fan of most of Joel Sherman's ideas. Dom Smith? Homer Bailey? Yuck

It's not even terrible for the Mets. Nimmo for Lopez makes sense for them as they have an outfield glut and are losing Wheeler. And I wouldn't trade Lopez for Mazara. That deal is awful for the Sox. That's a pretty even trade in terms of value.

Both of you are way off

He's not worthless, he's worth more than a Mazara or a Polanco, but not a whole lot more than that. Seriously, what exciting player that can actually start are people thinking they'd get for him?

He should have some value but not enough to get anyone really of use. Seriously, attach a name that you think you could get with those 2?

Despite Lopez's crappy year, he still had 2.3 fWAR last year. If someone believes they can get more out of him. Dunning I could see being worse than that, but I still think that Lopez holds more value than you think.

Those are not particularly valuable trade chips. I literally don't know who you're thinking about with those, Reddick with the Astros paying half?

I think Keuchel is going to get a 2 year deal and I think they'd be ok with that. It frees up Lopez/Dunning as trade chips to fill RF.

Really, when it comes to DH, they need someone who is a good platoon partner for Collins vs. LHP and can also fill in in case Collins sucks. I think Encarnacion is a good plan at DH. I do hope they give Collins a look though. He can fill in at 1B and emergency C as well.

> Shoeless Joe Jackson has left the chat.

Ok, looking back at his stat line you convinced me he is a better hitter than I thought, still his k to bb is concerning throughout his whole career. I could say in this day and age he is a little better than average hitter. His 28 doubles in 279 plate appearances is impressive. He hits for a decent average. We have so many hitter like Dickerson in our lineup already, but I'm counting on our players to improve immensely on their k to bb rate. If Dickerson can play CF, you have convinced me he is worth the signing instead of my original thought of Billy Hamilton.

Expect? No. I do think it's a legitimate possibility though.

Usually then Passan follows, if that happens, I like the odds. For some reason I always get Zack Wheeler and Dylan Bundy confused, which is why I didn't like the interest as much. I'm ok with going 5/100 for Wheeler as a #2. Wheeler was dealt for Beltran.... Bundy was never dealt. I'll get it one day.

No one cares what a single baseball writer thinks a players destination will be. MLBTraderumors does predictions every off-season; based on feedback and things they're hearing and etc. They get about 4-6 out of the top 50 right every off-season. No one has any idea where anyone is signing or going.

I'm going to have to agree with Balta here, The one advantage that everyone seems to overlook is OBP prospects have a much better chance to become highly valuable pieces going forward due to that plate discipline. Not only does it produce a lot of walks but you can become a much better hitter once you figure out how to use that great eye on hitting pitches in the zone like Moncada did. You want more examples ? Ok Look at Semien and Narvaez both have far surpassed any projections of them because they used their great plate discipline to learn to hit pitches in the zone. That doesn't mean Collins will become great. But it does mean if he does start to use that batting eye to become a better hitter like Moncada,Semien and Narvaez he will be so much better than an undisciplined hitter such as Avi who has all kinds of talent but never was very good at plate discipline. If he was he could've been a superstar. Once the hit tool catches up to the plate discipline we are looking at All Star level production. Of course that's what also makes Grandal an All-Star I'd love to have Grandal on the same team as Collins because along with Moncada there are 2 guys Collins can probably learn a lot from about using that great eyes to become much better as a hitter. No need for a DH then between Abreu, Grandal Collins McCann Eloy . Sox learn a lesson from past mistakes. Keep high OBP prospects , Draft more of them.

Firing a coach after he has a half a bad season or even after one bad season is something teams like the Browns and Dolphins do all the time.

Yea I know, you fire everyone after two years if not sooner. We know. You don't have to keep repeating yourself

On December 6th of 2006 we may acquire Gavin Floyd from the Phillies for Freddy Garcia and a player to be named later.

No.

you've completed "6 hour troll" achievement please move onto the 6 year one currently held by Greg.

Alex Speier of the Boston Globe released a book recently on the Red Sox called Homegrown. Detailing the end of Theo through the DD era. Lots of info on Moncada/Kopech in there and an entire chapter dedicated to the Sale trade. Hahn was asking for Benintendi ++ at the deadline. The week of the meetings, Hahn called and said they'd probably be trading Sale. He asked for Moncada. Then he called back the next day I believe the day for the meetings and asked for Kopech. They were in discussions with other teams too. Hahn pushed for Devers as 3rd piece. Dombrowski wouldn't do it because he knew nobody could offer Moncada/Kopech as headliners. When Hahn called back the night before the trade and asked for Basabe/Diaz, DD agreed basically instantly.

Daniel Gafford showing Boylen what a dumbass he's been by not playing him.

Stop trolling.

Not sure why this was laughed at...fully support that...very little negative in that All for Haniger if he can be had for cheap, but hardest of hard passes on Corey Dickerson

Personally yeah that's what I'd do. Give Collins his shot, catchers take forever to develop anyway, and if we're bad at that position, we won't be the only team who's bad at that position, and that's an easy one to add defensive backups a the deadline. My setup has always been - maximize what we can get internally, as the internal options are the guys who make it possible for us to afford other positions. If we can turn Collins into something tolerable, a 2 win catcher over the next 2 seasons, we fill that spot with average production and do so without spending money. So skip Grandal, but give me the frontline starting pitcher (and yes I know we won't get that one but that's how I'd do it).

Well.....I guess I won't be playing Chark this week afterall...I just traded him away. I didn't wait for this guy to back out again on the trade. I accepted it immediately. Thoughts? I get: Dalvin Cook and Travis Kelce I trade away: Melvin Gordon, DJ Chark, Payton Barber, Jimmy Graham With Evan Engram out for me right now, Kelce will slot in to my TE this week, and Cook will replace Gordon obviously. Then I can use Engram when he gets healthy to trade for a better RB2 than Montgomery.