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Kopech- 84 pitches in 6 innings is great for him.

You should really go educate yourself about those 2 before you make your posts. There's a whole book from the guy quoted here.

I'd say Alex Fernandez rather than Burger

Going after the elusive 2 game winning streak.

Im with you. Its all of the politicians. they are so fucking afraid of the 2A people its shocking. The amendment is there to make sure only the right people have guns, there are ways to do that. Fucking restrict ammunition at least. Do SOMETHING

I would have loved to have seen exit velocity stats around when Bo was in his prime.

I’m going to say this. We should not be using the 4th overall pick based on the struggles of a couple pitching prospects or a need at the major league level. But even if we ignore that logic, I’d argue drafting Madrigal is the better way to address the pitching staff than Singer. The reason for that is twofold. First, you avoid the inherent injury risks that come with pitching prospects. Second, if guys like Giolito & Lopez fail, we’re more likely to trade for a controllable arm than wait for Singer to reach the pros. As such, I take Madrigal because he is the better & safer trade chip. And if I don’t end up needing to trade for pitching, great I selected the BPA and have a damn good middle infield prospect in my system that provides much needed depth.

If Greg was a builder, he wouldn't worry about building a foundation, only the street facing side. If Greg was a newspaper writer he'd only write headlines. If Greg built cars, he wouldn't put engines in them. If Greg wrote books, he'd only design dust jackets. If Greg wrote a dissertation, he'd only make a pretty cover page. This has been another lesson in Greg only caring about how it looks on the surface and not giving a damn about what goes into things.

We've had lots of talk about how starters aren't pitching very long anymore, specifically avoiding the 3rd time up against a lineup. The Rays have been taken it to a new extreme, having multiple bullpen days where guys are only expected to pitch 3 or 4 innings. Now they are going further and having Sergio Romo, a late inning set up guy, start the game vs LA tomorrow. Partly because his off speed stuff matches up well with the top of their order. This is the future of baseball I think. http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/rays/2018/05/18/rays-have-another-new-different-pitching-plan-starting-sergio-romo-vs-angels/

Fair enough. I still don't think we've seen the last of him as I'm a believer in his stuff, but if he cannot repeat his motion and cannot control pitches then the stuff doesn't translate into outs. At least when we rushed him in 2016 the success of that season was worth it.

Yeah, I too remember when we signed Soria to a multi-year contract with the expectation that he'd pitch well. Oh wait, he's only here for this season with the expectation that he either helps the tank or becomes a flip candidate.

Not to be a dick, but since I've tuned in, it sure seem's like Ricky's boys have quit tonight. It's a cliche so it can be used tonight for sure. They sure look like they quit to me at the at bats I've watched. Oh I know ... it's raining. Excuse time for RR.

Good call. Kopech 9K + Cease 6K + Dunning 6K

No and what I'm saying can't be proved. But suppose the majority of Gordon's homers were about 15 feet past the fence. If he loses 20 feet on average with the switch to the new bats, then he loses a huge chunk of the homers. The guy who squares it up less often but clears the fence by 40-50 feet when he does, the new bats don't hurt as much. That's the logic — not everyone's game is as effected by the change in the bats.

Did you see the fangraphs article on him? He is like one of the best hitters in the league. More than a serviceable DH.

I still like 2017 Matty D more

I will say so what? I don’t see where getting their brains beat in here helps. If going down when they don’t deserve to be here crushes him, can you really expect them to be viable pitchers later on? Hold them accountable for stinking the place up. Go down to AAA, do well and come back up.

E L O Y hope nicky's okay

Fulmer is baseball waterboarding

Fulmer is 24 and Giloito was drafted 6 years ago. It is put up or shut up time for these two. What happens if you send them down to Charlotte and they continue to walk everyone in sight?

I despise our outfield. Delmonico needs to throw that to 2nd

Kopech with 84 pitches and 58 strikes. Very nice bounce back.

Just like Giolito, and Fulmer. ☺️

You have to wonder how the Sox handle both him and Giolito. You can't keep handing games away and failing to at least go 5 innings 2/5 starts. How can they arguably send Fulmer down when Giolito has been just as bad if not worse at times? I'm all for letting them work through the growing pains, but both these guys need a confidence boost at Charlotte IMO. Fulmer definitely doesn't seem to have what it takes to be a MLB starter with the way he has been the last few starts.

Fulmer starting to look like another first round bust.

Great bounce back games so far

I personally don't think he's gonna fare much better as a reliever.he simply can't throw strikes. I guess try it but if he doesn't make it as a starter I think he's toast

It only took 7 batters for Fulmer to earn his first out against the worst offense in the AL

How to not file for arbitration after 2020.

I feel like Fulmer's been given every excuse possible to explain why he's been such a gigantic bust.

that's what she said?

To get away from the #4 pick discussion a little bit, I thought I'd highlight some middle round college prospects that might be interesting (since the Sox have historically targeted these types of guys in rounds 4-10): LHP Starters: Adam Scott, Sr. - Wofford University: 6-3 Lefty has put up impressive numbers this year, albeit against lesser competition. He's currently sporting 11.63 K/9 rate while only walking 1.5 batters per nine innings. Given our dearth of LHPs in the system, seems like a decent cheap flier to take. Tarik Skubal, Redshirt Jr. - Seattle U.: Drafted last year in the 29th round, Skubal is on most scouts' radar and for good reason. Has carried a 10+ K/9 ratio each of the past two seasons, but command is a concern as his BB/9 has ballooned to nearly 7 this year. The control issues might scare away some teams but since correcting those issues has been a strength of our development staff I think he'd be a good player to target in the later rounds. RHP Starters: Miller Hogan, Jr. - St. Louis Univ.: Has been dominant this year with a 10.84 K/9, a miniscule 1.2 BB/9 and an eye-popping 9.00 K/BB ratio. Was drafted in the 32nd round last year by the Brewers, so might have to reach a little earlier for him but his command and control might make it worth it. Kyle Bradish, Jr. - NMSU: 6-4 righty with good size and stats, since the Sox have drafted players from this program in the past I would imagine he's on their radar. Has a very impressive 12.5 K/9 on the season but control issues are present as evidenced by his 5.7 BB/9. Seems to fit the profile of a typical Sox small-school pitcher pick, big frame and aggressive approach to hitters. Noah Song, Jr. - Navy: Might be a tough sign due to being a Junior with another year of eligibility left and his Navy commitment but should be mentioned as a potential draft candidate. Absolutely dominating the Patriot League this year with a 1.65 ERA to go along with a gaudy 12.4 K/9 ratio, walks are a bit of an issue (4.2 BB/9) but you would have to imagine that he has a great mental approach on the mound to go along with projectable size and stuff. Nick Sandlin, Jr. - Southern Miss: Not a typical Sox-type player as he's undersized at only 5-11 but you can't argue with his track record. His first year as a starter after being the Southern Mississippi closer for the last two years. Has been dominating a fairly decent conference to the tune of a 1.15 ERA to go along with a 13.1 K/9 rate and nearly non-existent 1.15 BB/9. His size will most likely sour a lot of teams on him but it isn't unheard of for a smaller pitcher to succeed. Also his past experience as a closer could help him transition to a reliever should starting not work out, reminds me of Ian Hamilton's trajectory. Infielders: Isaiah Pasteur, Jr. - George Washington: Should be an easy sign since he's already 22 years-old after transferring to GWU from Indiana after the 2016 and missing a year. Wasn't very impressive while at IU but had a breakout season this year against admittedly lesser competition. Has top-end speed nabbing 30 SBs while only being caught 3 times, has also shown developing power with 10 HRs this year. Not a terrible SO% at ~19% and a respectable 10% BB%, has a very respectable .973 fielding percentage manning the hot corner. Chase Chambers, Sr. - Tennessee Tech: First baseman with power and very good plate discipline, fits the profile of the type of hitter the Sox has been targeting in the past couple of years. Walks more than he strikes out (15.5% BB% vs. 8.5% K%) while still carrying a lot of game power as he's hit 31 HRs over the past two seasons. Definitely a first baseman only due to his size (6-1 245lbs.), reminds me a lot of Matt Adams when he was coming out of Slippery Rock in 2009.

Holy shit you're actually straight-up defending him and attacking the victim. Go back to 4chan with your buddy.

Schools can not afford basic supplies or payroll for their teachers, where is this money going to come from?

You vote the assholes out. It's much more insane to continually insist that nothing can be done as the dead bodies of children pile up.

I don't get why they would be on similar timelines. Kopech is going to eventually max out AAA hitters this summer and be ready to start the major league learning process. Eloy hasn't even made that jump to AAA yet, so why would they slingshot him right to the bigs in a lost season? He needs to get called up to AAA very, very soon if it makes any sense for him to be up in Chicago this summer, because if you wait until September, you may as well wait until next May.

RUN! He's got a board with a NAIL in it!

It also does nothing for mass shootings that happen at college campuses, concerts, night clubs, movie theaters, shopping malls, train stations, or any other number of public spaces with large amounts of people gathered.

You are basically telling the NRA and the politicians who are kneeling before them they are full of shit. That more guns doesn't make things safer. Practice what they preach and see what happens. I will offer my thoughts and prayers in advance.

Maybe Bo Jackson...

This has been said a few times, especially since he has turned it around, but Moncada is must-watch TV right now. He's looking much more confident at the plate, and he's just killing the ball.

In my post after the one you quoted.

Oops paywall. Here yall go. 1.) Mize 2.) Bart 3.) Bohm 4.)

Typically I'd say to throw out the other seasons, but since you so badly don't want to, you do realize what those teams looked like, right? They looked exactly how you want the 2018 team to look- a mix of young players and vets, vying to compete in a division where (as you would say) "anything can happen! sneak in the playoffs and win it all!" But I'll give the benefit of the doubt and actually throw it out. You can't judge Hahn on what happened from 2013-2016 (but again, if you really want to, those teams were filled with veteran players, so why are you so upset with how he constructed those teams?). Hell, even 2017-now, you can't judge him. These are truly what they said they would be- throw away seasons to grow and develop prospects all the while playing some former decent-good prospects to see if they find a diamond in the rough. I'm not sure what your guys' point is, but I'm starting to wonder if you and Greg are the same person. Either way, it's super annoying. It's not even an opinion anymore. The fact is, the Sox have tried the veteran/youth mixture already and it hasn't worked. No team goes that route anymore. Give it up.

A nickname for Welington because of the dish, beef wellington.

So that's twice in the past week that the Sox have had a rather easy challenge call that they decided to let go by. Can we fire the person in charge of this decision already?

There is no difference in cost or service time between calling the guy up mid-July and calling him up in September. If they wait until 2 weeks in April 2019, that would save a year of service time and buy us an extra year of free agency. I think Eloy Jiminez may accidentally trigger nuclear fusion hitting a baseball too hard at AAA if we make him wait until April 15. If we call either of them up now, they would be "Super 2 players". It would NOT cost us a year of control, we would have both of them 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, and 2024. However, if they are called up now, or any time before ~mid July, the called up players would be arbitration eligible in 2021. If they're as good as they look, if they are called up now, in 2021 they would each be paid ~$12 million, and their salaries in each subsequent season will be higher. On the other hand, if they are called up after the Super-2 deadline, called up in mid-July, then in 2021 they will be minimum salary players again and their first arbitration year will be 2022. Effectively, each player will probably make another $20 million in total prior to 2024 if they are called up now compared to what they will make if you wait until mid-July. If you call them up now, they have 4 arbitration years. If you wait until mid-July, they have 3 arbitration years. If you wait until April 15, you add in an extra year of control through 2025, but that year is an arbitration year and the player would be back to having 4 arbitration years.

It’s that simple folks, just take the given star in the draft. Hopefully there are four Mike Trouts in this one or that strategy might not work for us.

Madrigal or bust for me. I think he's the best option for the Sox. People need to not worry so much about where he will play. If it even comes to that, you worry about it when the time comes or you have a really great trade chip to use and get that final piece. He could end up being the Sox version of Gleybar Torres. Can't worry about it until it happens. Plus we don't know where Anderson or Moncada or Sanchez or any of the other top 10 prospects will be developmental wise in 2-3 years.

Please dont taint our draft thread greg. This is my happy place.