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Your willingness to speak with an air of authority on literally every topic is astounding.

Good for you. Then you can give it to someone else who can give it to someone else who may die or have a limb amputated. But hey, you got to sit in the stands 3 or 4 months early.

I have no idea how Bob can look in the mirror with all the water he carries for ownerships: Joe Biden isn't talking about a National Shutdown; this is a blatant lie from an owner (probably Jerry) that Bob pushed. Owners don't want to open up until they can get 100% of gate; it's absurd, and obnoxious. They could easily start the season on time (they literally played through the pandemic last year lol) but they simply don't want to. Baseball is doing everything it can to push fans further and further from the game. They've laid off hundreds - if not thousands of employees - all while maintaining their anti-trust exemption and their absurd wealth. They took public money to fund stadiums that they'll now close unless they can make as much money as possible off them. These guys are crooks.

I've been reading this board for a while and am finishing up school so I decided to finally join. I had a good friend killed by a drunk driver, so this issue is personal for me. I see a big problem with how this country treats drunk driving. Our attitudes tend to vary wildly depending on the result of the drunk driving offense. We treat someone who drives drunk and kills somebody as a criminal that should be locked up and someone who drives drunk but just falls asleep while stopped at a light like it's no big deal. It's called "results oriented" thinking and it's dangerous. Once you choose to drive drunk, it's mostly a matter of chance whether you kill someone, get pulled over, or get away with it completely. If we don't heavily disincentivize the action when it doesn't kill anybody, we make it more likely that they will do it again, and thus eventually do kill or seriously injure somebody. Our family has decided that we will continue to watch Sox games on TV and root for the players to do well, we will not be buying tickets, licensed apparel, etc., so long as Tony LaRussa is manager. The adults in the family are also no longer drinking Goose Island or any other alcohol companies that sponsor the Sox.

Sounds like it's a negotiating ploy. Owners still playing dirty pool with a pandemic.

Football is playing, basketball has started again, but baseball supposedly can’t figure it out by spring training... man it feels like the owners almost trying to chase the fans away. Anything for them to save a few pennies I guess. Why does it have to be like this when we finally might be good?

On the one hand, I'm of the belief that once someone makes a mistake, and makes amends, (s)he should be forgiven, and life should go on. After all, who among us hasn't fucked up in life? [Yes, I recognize that there are varying degrees of fucking up, and that this ideal I hold can be tested any number of ways.] That said, I hold certain folks among us to a higher degree of responsibility than others. In THIS case, a fabulously wealthy senior citizen, who has the resources to be driven wherever-the-fuck he wants, AND has already fucked up in life should fucking know better. Were he a young man, or too poor to get home any other way, or had never fucked up before, I might be more leniently-minded. So, I do think that TLR should have known better, AND had the cash and/or credit to afford a limo, AND had the name recognition to get a ride anytime of day or night, AND in the day and age of Uber, there is no fucking way this should have happened. At a minimum, he should have been let go, but even better, he shouldn't have even been given the chance to re-offend, while managing an MLB team. This just sucks.

FRRRROM KALAMZOO MICHIGAN, AT -70C....PFIZER VACCINE!!!!!

Can you just ignore him, because nobody appointed you the board dad who needs to deal doses of reality. Thanks.

I have never understood this perspective. If you are presenting data and opinions contrary to another's, that is an argument. And if you aren't trying to persuade, then what really is the point of actually pulling data? Ultimately if you are gonna be passive aggressive anytime someone presents something to you, never take their information into account and never take any thing seriously... then there's no fucking point in conversing with you. Either way, I will never have to resort to what you resort to because I am an adult. You do not appear to be. Justify it any way you want; it's childish and unnecessary. Period. Grow up. Because your childish and tiresome smarky amd condescending comments are just pompous and stupid and renders what you say not worth Jack shit. This isn't anger, it's just a dose of reality that the petulant child you are needs to hear.

Which is why the organization wouldn't comment. They are going to pretend this didn't happen and enable the drunk.

You let yourself off easily though

The idea is to wait until everyone is and can be safe before resuming the season and people here are... angry about this? Cynical? What am I missing here? Isn't this a good thing?

You are, and it’s neither informed nor responsible. That’s the last I’ll say on this subject, which really has no place as a subject for “debate” on a White Sox message board.

I didn't realize that although Yates is soon to be 34, he's only had 282.1 major league innings on his arm. Hendricks in comparison has 516.1 major league innings at soon to be 32.

New Sox 1st base coach?

They gave Robertson 4 years and he wasn't as good as Hendriks is.

Maybe this is me getting old, but social media is the goddamn devil.

Just joined. Greetings to all!!! If $15m remains; Colome, 2 yr-$8m per; Daniel Murphy, 1 yr-$5m + opt; Kurt Suzuki, 1 yr-$2m + opt. Would have to rely on org to provide 4th & 5th starters but Murphy (DH) could fit nicely between Abreu & Jimenez or Jimenez & Robert pushing Eaton to eighth.

We usually go to 5-6 games per year. Probably was already going to be less than that in 2021 due to COVID but that number is now zero. I know it won't have a huge impact, but it's what we're doing. I'm very frustrated that this issue is not taken seriously.

Honestly, the beers and fried food sales are significantly more dangerous than the virus.

Owners will not play 162 and pay players full salaries without fans. Players have no incentive to play less than 162. The MLBPA wants regular spring training with the season to start on time. It's going to be a mess.

Who died and made you Surgeon General?

Fair enough. It just seems weird to me. Arguing and trolling occurrs regularly here. I just don't let people off easy is all.

Sure, but we know MLB doesn't actually care about the health and safety of anyone. Hence how they had fans in the stands in the playoffs and let ginger man ignore all protocols and celebrate. This is all about paying the players less and having them subsidize the losses for another year; yet as I noted before, they never give players raises as the games revenues have skyrockted changing the split from about 51/49 or 50/50 down to roughly 46/54 now. And Balta, I don't want to get into a vaccine discussion but as of today there is no evidence (yet) that the vaccine itself limits contagion. What we do know is that it helps the body overcome the virus without symptoms. The rushed process - South Korea, for example is taking a "wait and see how safe" approach with the vaccine and that should be alarming at least somewhat - has caused people to be genuinely concerned. Young people really shouldn't be lining up to get a vaccine that may not prevent contagion, and in theory could have a bigger long term risk than the actual disease. Just five months ago the media and doctors on TV told us it was IMPOSSIBLE to have a vaccine by the end of the year; after Trump said otherwise. The reason being? They said we needed proper procedures that take time to assure safety. Now the virus is here and they wonder why some people are hesitant to take it. South Korea is even taking a wait and see approach as I noted, which to me is a bit curious and concerning.

It's for an enjoyable experience. When people are constantly being pissed off or pissing others off then it's not what ChiSoxfn envisioned when he started the place.

When the engagement or argument affects the entire thread, or threads, it is discouraged. This isn't hard. Ignore him and move on.

Sometimes I wonder what a forum is for when people are discouraged from engaging when someone is reluctant to be sensible. I get it what you're saying, but do you get what I'm saying?

We miss you @greg775! Come back to us!

A small bit of levity.

Late take: I actually don’t mind the idea of Eaton as a bounceback flyer, but... That’s because with I think the team needs pitching so badly that it needs to allot every available resource to it, and high-floor bounceback flyers come pretty cheap and can be great as role fillers. The problem with this deal is that $7-8mm is real money in this market, and I have no doubt that it’s enough to take them out of the market on some of the better pitchers available. I think this contract is a poor use of limited resources. This, combined with the fact that they decided to use a current rotation piece to buy their only rotation upgrade, and this looks to me like really bad, inefficient, amateurish roster building so far this offseason. A deal can make sense in a vacuum but be completely wrong in context. I like Eaton at $2-3mm this year — the price Hahn paid treats him like there’s no risk to his performance/health, and the wasted margin, I think, is really gonna hurt.

And you have a whitewashed Americanized view of history.

The Cleveland Politically Correct Baseball Team

PC is ruining this country! Smh

You want to kick out all the cheaters in the hof?

I do love that the needs going into this off season (RF, SP, Reliever) are going to be exactly the same next off season because of how cheap the shit owner of this team is.

Bartolo Colon, C.C. Sabathia, etc. laughs at these posts.

@greg775, this is me following the directions.

Eaton is your prototypical playing not to lose pick instead of going for the win. I’m sure others will disagree, but I’ve never trusted Hahn’s ability to put together the pieces for a WS contender via free agency.

1. A 4th starting pitcher 2. An additional reliever 3. More @greg775

They will ban any DVD sales of Major League from now on.

People are offended by the Indian name? that’s good, Jerry. Real gold. lol next

With hospitals and nursing homes receiving $25,000 per Covid death the deaths here are getting over reported. ???

I can't believe everyone keeps pencilling in this Vaughan kid, who has never played Major League Baseball, as our DH. Yes, he could be a stud right out of the gate, but we've all seen the exact opposite happen to guys who are rushed to the Bigs more often than not. He needs a full year in the minors at least.

Remaining list: Closer to top flight middle reliever Middle to back end starting pitcher Back up Catcher MiLB deal for starting pitcher reclamation project MiLG deal for reliever reclamation project or two

I wonder how many people on this board have texted while driving. Proven to be significantly more dangerous than driving at .09. Or how about speeding. Also significantly more dangerous than drunk driving if more than 20 over the limit. Both have caused many deaths as well. Just don't get caught often or get headlines if they do.

No team in history more dominant than the Chicago bears with nothing to play for except making their future harder

The Monkey just burned this dudes house down.

Man you must have a masters degree in negativity. I get that you don't like the 2020 Sporting News GM of the year...and you hate the White Sox as a general rule. But come on man...this roster that Hahn has built is filled with budding stars at almost every position...they have a low payroll with room to upgrade and the future has never been brighter. To this Hahn adds, by almost every measure, a top ten pitcher in all of baseball in exchange for a player dealt from an area of massive organizational strength...young pitchers...and of the dozen dynamic young arms Dunning was the oldest and with the least dazzling stuff. From THIS data you manage to write a 10,000 word dissertation that Hahn sucks and this is likely to be a "hahn special" because...1) The team is over rated. 2) Lynn isn't very good because the last 300 innings where he earned 10 WAR are an illusion and we should probably also ignore the fact that in 9 years he's pitched 1500 innings with a FIP of 3.64 and nearly 3 WAR per year and instead focus on that horrible last game he pitched. 3) Dunning is AMAZING based on his 34 innings of 4 FIP at the major league level and will leave a "gaping" hole?? 4) Cease, Kopech, Lopez, Kelly, Crochet, Stiever, Dahlquist, Thompson, lambert, Flores and Pinklington are trash are unlikely to fill the hole that Dunning's departure leaves. This is just rantings. Did Hahn run over your dog or something?