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The thing is, I would have still taken her over Getz.

Is there any proof of this whatsoever? Or is it possible that the historically cheap owner of the Marlins is being cheap again by not offering an extension when there’s still one more year left of a contract?

Just insane to not even give yourself a chance at seeing what was on the market. Why not just make Getz interim GM, so at least you could see who was gonna be available? You could always fall back on promoting him to permanent GM if you didn’t like what you saw. There’s precedent for it and you’d have a clear leader managing the offseason so you wouldn’t have a rudderless ship in the meantime. All upside, no downside. Then — get this — you could add someone from outside the org that had to “learn the whole system,” but you’d have Getz there anyway the whole time to help! You’d be literally NO worse than now in terms of “knowledge of the system.” I cannot get over this. Reinsdorf firing his FO and then promoting their fifth in command without even considering interviewing anyone else might actually be the stupidest, least defensible business decision I’ve ever witnessed. Complete and total unforced error; he literally could had his cake and eaten it too simply by calling Getz and interim leader and delaying the decision until he had more info. Absolute clown show. Unbelievable. I’m searching for hyperbole and cannot find it.

You make a compelling argument, but my counter argument: The White Sox operate like fucking idiots.

I'm a simple person. Do I want my team to win the championship - absolutely, but I enjoy baseball and look at it from a how much fun did I have in any given season. 10 seasons making the playoffs in 21 - means I had at least 10 really fun 162 game seasons. Playoffs weren't fun - but the team was fun for 162 out of 165 games every year. The playoffs, sure those stunk, but it doesn't take away from the fun regular season / entertainment value for that. Inverse is - Marlins win 2 world series and are largely irrelevant outside of that. The memories from those 2 world series championships for the fans I'm sure is fun - but there are also what 15 years of pure misery where your season was over by the time April was done. That is just miserable as a fan.

I would love to have the chance to see the Sox get to the playoffs 10 times in 21 years myself regardless of what happened.

Yeah - this plus being the architect of the only 21st Century baseball dynasty? Pretty good. Not, like, good-enough-for-Chicago White Sox-good but pretty damn good.

So I'm gonna take a bit of a veer and elaborate that...I don't think even if the sox hired Kim Ng to be the sox President of Baseball Ops I'd be that thrilled. Ng's celebrity around here has some well-earned components. She made two outstanding baseball deadline acquisitions, which probably needed to be done to shake that team out of its lulls. If you put the white sox aside, the Rockies and Marlins have been in a very forgettable tier for a long while. But - the success of deadline deals can be kind of random in how much it helps the playoff push. The Braves struck gold when they got a bunch of mediocre power players that all went en fuego and took them to a WS. But try to recreate that every year and you'll fail more than you succeed. Get a star and see them in a slump for a few weeks and find you weren't that much better off. Get Scherzer though, that usually works. And outside of those deals, we saw a strange offseason that saw the kind of free agency reaches typically reserved for Rick Hahn. The Segura deal was abysmal. Arraez was incredible...but then so was lopez. After the .400 wore off, the twins rode Lopez to their most successful post season. After all, Alcantara got hurt. Lopez may have helped more. (this is just my ethos here of always add, never subtract when getting to competitive mode). And then the rest? This is a bad farm system that is now worse. They aren't a growing juggernaut, now they will have to try to recreate this year without Alcantara. Their budget seems fairly maxed out, and were already in the limbo of trading from ML surpluses for ML weaknesses. The Marlins had a really nice run in a gauntlet of a division. But we've been pining for sustainable and nothing visible that she built looks sustainable to me.

I don't think that's the case either. When the Getz hire was made, Kim Ng wasn't available. It's a very easy spin for any organization with $0.02 cents of PR skill. "The Marlins loss is the White Sox gain and we're incredibly excited to welcome back Kim Ng to the White Sox family." It shows a willingness to get better, be aggressive, etc. They would look good. And while Getz would be knocked down a peg, he's a big boy.

The nice thing is that if the Sox stay the course and don't do anything with Ng, the Getz hire looks as horrible as it is. If the Sox decide to go for Ng, they have gone back on their word about Getz being the "sole decision maker," and they look horrible in doing so. Way to go, Jerry.

Harper, Castellanos, Schwarber HRs. Phil's really know how to pick free agents! Who would have thought the most talented free agents would produce and be worth their contracts leading a team to back to back LCS.

If she came here, it would take her like a year to learn the whole org so

Perhaps my first impression was correct.

ESPN, for once, didn't forget the White Sox!!!

On the other hand, if they win it, Bochy has to then be considered one of the greatest managers of all time, right?

Kind of like Renteria was allowed to do all the groundwork during the rebuild then was fired so LaRussa could come in for the finishing touches. And it destroyed the team. I’ll never forgive Reinsdorf for that.

JR will never hire Ng and appear to be bowing to pressure..... or common sense. Getz isn't qualified to be Assistant GM let alone the GM AND VP of Baseball Ops. He led arguably the worst minor league system (by W/L record and lack of development) in baseball. That gets you PROMOTED in Jerryland. Getz got this job for 2 reasons...... he'll work cheap and do EXACTLY as Jerry commands.

We’re not already off the cliff? Could have fooled me.

Win two more games, Rangers. Then I’ll be ok with any World Series winner.

But Kim Ng on the market just reinforces what a stupid hire Chris Getz was. Ng, James Click and Chaim Bloom are all available. I'm sure there are plenty of other GMs that would be able to learn an org in under a year. They probably don't retain Grifol because they don't have the Royals connection. Suddenly you can interview real managers.

Cool. We can give her the president of baseball ops title and have her have power over Getz.

Ok, I'm going to flip over all the cards....are you Rick Hahn??

two run doubles seem to be working too

Home runs are fun

No argument that it’s embarrassing. I consider them to be an embarrassment of a franchise entirely.

on topic: I getz that Ng is far and away the superior candidate but I feel like it's too late and it would only be damaging to hire her as president or whatever unless you actually remove Getz from the organization entirely. Who's the boss? Who are employees supposed to actually listen to when their two bosses give them conflicting orders? Try working in an environment like this some time, you probably won't want to stay long. I actually find it amusing how gung-ho some people are to re-create the exact same organizational f***-up that only ended a few months ago. Wishing Ng the best but it won't be with this team unless Getz spectacularly fucks up and is fired before she gets another job. A committed SoxTalk poster would be trying to find his skeletons.

The lack of a vowel in the Romanization is throwing me. Fun fact: it's the Cantonese-equivalent of the surname Wu

Hell for the seahawks Matt Hasselback would be an all-time bear. We definitely win the super bowl in 06 with him. But anyway, I do get some of the angst where it Bears have been chasing the QB a lot recently and spending a lot of assets on it where maybe we end up like the Stafford lions or now...herbert chargers. But that's the nice thing about this year, we don't have to chase! It's just being handed to us. Yeah, maybe not the worst thing you go Fashanu/Marvin Harrison and go another year with Fields under Ben Johnson or shane waldron. But it could also be the slingshot to a new era.

They could put her in charge of Getz in case he Getz 2 stoopid. I would do it in a South Side minute.

It's almost as if relievers are volatile and overpaying for veteran relievers is dumb.

Edited the title since we've long since left Luis Reyes behind.

Its almost like the Phillies have coaching and player development

Craig Kimbrel is out there pitching in high leverage situations and getting people out. The dude was so so bad for the White Sox. Crazy to see him turn it around.

Any reason to believe JR is bitter towards her? I've heard him talk about her multiple times and was nothing but positive. Same for her about JR.

I doubt Bochy would have come out of retirement for the White Sox. Chris Young has a relationship with him from his playing days and showed him the roadmap for their success...good farm system and SPENDING $$$$$$

As bad as the Central is and has been, the Sox and Royals have won a World Series in recent memory (KC getting to the WS twice). The Tigers (twice) and Guardians have been to the WS. And you have the Twins getting to the playoffs ten times since 2002. They advanced past the first round just twice. Has to suck to be a fan of that team.

Should he even be mad? Dude got promoted to be a GM without basically any qualifications (it seems). Guy is set for the next decade+ (or whenever JR dies).

I think it’s more than a bit sociopathic at this point. The guy clearly believes in his method

Eh, I don't really think it is for someone like Jerry. He has built a foundation for himself where his 6th generation of offspring won't ever have to work, he doesn't really report to anyone, and he's pushing 90. If I had all those things going for me, why would I care about what Joe Blow on the street cares about me for?

These can’t be real posts. Are you both inferring Bears fans have been “unfair” in wanting a Top 5 QB in the league? Something every other NFL team has had at some point? They are the charter franchise of the NFL and have NEVER come close to having a true franchise QB. Bears fans were SPOILED with Culter?!!?? Get fucked

As it's been said in many places this is likely about money. Ng probably got the extreme low end of GM dollars from the Marlins, but after winning a whopping 84 games she probably wants high end dollars. She will say the right things but this screams she wanted a raise and thinks or even knows she will get it elsewhere. Let's hope it comes from the Sox. It would kind of make the fucboy Getz hire, with zero interviews make a little more sense. The downside would be that I don't think she'd come here to safely manage the transition to a sale...

It's all but a done deal, and Trevor May isn't holding back his feelings. https://sports.yahoo.com/trevor-may-retires-from-as-with-message-for-dork-owner-john-fisher-sell-the-team-dude-044452684.html

Baseball is STILL a good 'ol boys club, after all. The Marlins (including their owner) still don't quite 100% believe a female is capable of leading the organization...or can only get the team from Point A to Point B, for example. For the finishing touches, it requires a man's experiences in the industry. That's the prevailing wisdom.

And then Getz's promise to Grifol to keep him around for another year...at the very least, to start the season.

Yeah I doubt it. She's not taking a backseat to Chris Getz; nor should she.

4Ks through 2IP for Eder. He looks pretty solid, but gets an early hook because he's only getting credit for the swinging ones. These were walks:

Ng Ng not Ngonna happen.

Amazing

I'm sympathetic because my brain does dumb stuff like that all the time. My pancake recipe calls for 2.75 tablespoons of baking powder and the amount of times I'll put in 2 table spoons and 3/4 of a tea spoon is insane. My brain just seamlessly problem solves like " ah, this has 3/4s on it, it's this"

Didn’t you tell us all that Hahn and KW are hired forever