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I've been wrong on plenty of players in my life but never been more wrong than I was on Vaughn. What a chode.

Amazing how bad fletcher has looked. It's like bad Eaton and madrigal had a baby.

John: EVERYONE IS ON THEIR FEET People behind home plate: Sitting

I know yall miserable fucks love to hate Yo. But at least dude plays some smooth ass D.

158-4 still in play

Crochet, Moncada, DeJong! Kopech battling thru adversity was good for him too.

I know Schriffen is gonna get better, but this dude is really into standing.

No matter what, Yoan is a very good defensive 3B

i hate this squad

Yoan’s swing from left side is really good so far this year

Are you getting those Eastern European ladies looking for love ads? My wife almost banned Soxtalk over those.

He’s the dumbest manager of all time

Yeah, who is anyone here to doubt the judgements of Chris Getz and the Chicago White Sox when it comes to high character clubhouses and leadership! Clevinger proved last year that he's not netting anything - I know the circumstances aren't 100% the same, but the reality is he's an asshat and he stinks. Even if we say that the accusation isn't 100% true, what is true is he broke Covid protocol when his highly respected and well liked manager had a compromised immune system. I can't imagine he's a good influence on a single young baseball player; maybe you want to argue he's not as bad as it seems, but there's no one arguing he's a positive influence.

I get someone being upset/not liking him due to the allegations. At the same time, I feel like the reactions to him are very extreme. Someone like Aroldis Chapman had more concrete allegations and when the Cubs had him, it was all "Well, sometimes athletes are unsavory characters. Theo wants to win" type vibes. I don't know what Clevinger did or didn't do. I do know that they had him around the team for a season. I find it hard to believe that they'd bring him back if it was as black and white as people on the outside act. I don't personally like the guy but get some innings out of him, hope he's good. Trade him for a piece if he does well. Can't help but think that a lot of the people saying they aren't fans anymore or they want the team to move are being a little performative.

Can't lose 'em all!

We won't lose 100 games this year. I know that is a bummer for some of you.

Yes, a hundred 58-pitch saves, giving him a higher workload than all the starters combined.

I know we're awful and 1-4 and will continue to be awful but honestly with Crochet and Moncada at least off to hot starts we have some reasons to watch.

I love me some Yoan, but dude just breaks my heart every time I think about what if he could stay healthy.

OK, I'm broke now hahahhahahahha

That's quite an assumption.

sorry your manager put you in that position, crochet. what an outing

Absolutely no reason for him to still be in to face the righty. Grifol is the best

They traded away the only guy on the team that busted his ass every game....it was like one last middle finger to the fans from Kenny.

Out of college was Burger much less of a prospect? They seemed to completely write him off yet hang their hat on Vaughn and Sheets as "prospects" they are so inept top to bottom.

It’s truly wild that Sheets is batting cleanup despite putting DFA worthy offensive numbers in his major league career

I got bad news for you about the next ~1,400

I hope Hahn is sitting in a dive bar in Winnetka crying right now as he watches what he could have been.

If the baseball gods give me one thing this year, let it be crochet staying healthy all year. This guy is a machine.

I seriously doubt Jerry Reinsdorf is providing any input on this

Look I may not want see this dumpster fire, but the day they pay me to go, I am there.

It’s nice to hear Reinsdorf and the Sox get called out publicly for their dysfunctional management of the team.

No need in rushing Thorpe, Eder, Nastrini, etc. if they're not ready. This is a good signing, they need innings.

get gavin sheets off this fucking team. please.

Gavin Sheets as clean up says everything you need to know about this teams offense.

Drafting crochet and rushing him as a reliever, f*** YOU HAHN.

He’s not even trying to frame these pitches. 4 calls he hasn’t got for him already.

When I was like 18 my mom walked by and thought I was on Sextalk.com

Got em!

OK hear me out here: WHY THE f*** is the 1st base coach reviewing OUR OF positioning? Please, for the love of god, tell me has looking at Atlanta's, please.

Here are the "facts" directly from MLB. https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-major-league-baseball-statement-mike-clevinger 3/5/23 MLB accepted Clevinger's voluntary agreement to submit to evaluations by the joint treatment boards under collectively bargained policies, and to comply with any of the board's recommendations. which your "logic" is "discipline by definition". But of course your interpretation it's not accurate, as players can enter the program either voluntarily, with or without a formal MLB investigation, as a result formal discipline and or via an arbitration decision as defined in the CBA. Let's stick with the actual CBA agreement covering Domestic Violence, Sexual Assault and Child Abuse, which Clevinger voluntarily agreed to as part of MLB's announcement that it was dropping further investigation, for one, two or all three provisions of the policy. https://content.mlb.com/documents/2/9/2/296982292/Major_League_Player_Joint_DV_SA_CA_Policy_English_2018.pdf Provisions regarding the treatment plan can be found starting with page 9 of the linked pdf document. That is all I have to say about this matter or the Chicago White Sox. While I hope Mike Clevinger has begun making amends in his personal life, including toward his various children and their mothers, this is beyond my ability to stomach as part of "entertainment". This is strike three on Chris Getz, after hiring Wes Helms and Omar Vizquel, the latter Chris Getz praised as having "positive impact" in the clubhouse. The same clubhouse where Omar Vizquel repeatedly molested an autistic batboy naked in the showers. None of this is surprising considering Getz was personally mentored by Dayton Moore, who was persistent in trying to sign a pedophile convicted of repeatedly molesting his six year old niece. https://theathletic.com/409033/2018/06/26/dayton-moore-is-advocating-for-luke-heimlich-but-if-the-royals-eventually-sign-him-it-will-be-ownerships-call/ Perhaps when all persons primarily responsible for this latest fiasco (Jerry Reinsdorf, Tony La Russa, Chris Getz and Mike Clevinger) are all no longer with the organization, and assuming Chicago Taxpayers aren't screwed a second time with another stadium scheme, and a non Reinsdorf is approved by MLB as the Primary Control Person, I may one day be interested in following the team. I wish all of you well. Take care.

Same as Pillar actually. They didn't have to pay Pillar . His contract wasn't guaranteed so they said you're not making the team when we rather have the money. They didn't have to pay Clevinger more than they did because he was unwanted. He got a little more than the Pillar money. Both purely business decisions. There are contracts structured the same way all over baseball for the guys hanging on by a thread that say if you make the team we'll pay you more and then they are cut. Pillar's situation was not unique . No one would give him what the Sox offer was. It's a contract ,maybe him or his agent should have read it. If you have people over a barrel in business they have to accept offers on your terms.

I can't imagine spending this much time defending Clevinger, down to arguing words for technicalities over FaCts.

The only thing we'll get in a Clevenger trade is not paying him the final $1 million of his contract. I'd be surprised if they even got back a AAA utility infielder for him. At this point, I'm pretty numb from the first 4 games. I don't like Clevenger, and don't want him on this team. But if signing this lunkhead creates a softer landing for Nastrini, and creates any stability in the rotation over the course of the season, fine. I can just ignore him, and hope he's availing himself of the support MLB has promised to help him grow up. I'm disappointed in the Sox for going this route. Zack Greinke and Johnny Cueto are still unsigned.

Because he's not generally regarded as a good dude, was seeking a 2 year deal and her peripherals were far worse than his actual results in 2023? The Sox had him in the clubhouse for the entirety of 2023. If Getz feels like he isn't a problem, the current version of Clevinger probably isn't. Pretty sure he's literally been mentioned as being a good guy to have around by people around the org. Now that take for what it is worth, but still worth mentioning. I am not really all that concerned that other teams didn't want him. Guys that have legitimate upside and no baggage sign for 1/$12-15M deals, not 1/$3M deals. The former was obviously out of JR's budget this season. While its a bummer Clevinger may not return a ton - if anything - via trade, he will eat innings that need to be eaten. If he happens to be really productive, teams do silly things for a short term cheap pitching at the deadline. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Clevinger return something if he repeats (at a lower cost) or improved upon his 2023. That said, I am not trying to convince people to like the dude. Your opinions on him have been earned.

I think the front office is realizing just how bad this team is and needs an arm to throw out there. This on paper is one of the worst teams in MLB modern history.

10 Prospects who Impressed on the Arizona backfields. Eder hype rising? https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/10-mlb-prospects-who-impressed-on-the-arizona-backfields/

Shaw easily

This team is trash and the entire rotation save maybe one will be replaced in the next season and a half.