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It's almost like the symptoms are the same and they were able to accurately identify it once he got proper imagining.

The White Sox will have a new stadium deal this year.

Luis Robert has a great couple of months and is traded (potentially this year's Luis Arraez and traded early in season. Davis Martin pitches great. Represents team at the All Star game. Vargas has a surprisingly nice season. Teel comes up and has a good showing for a first call up. Sox trade Robert, Perez, B. Wilson, Murfee, one of the older lefties (Booser, Gilbert or both) and Tauchman. No one else. Clevinger pitches decent out of pen. Other teams continue to want nothing to do with him.

That said: Bold prediction: West Eddy will say something critical of Getz and WSox and ss2k will not derail the thread in which west eddy does so.

This message board is so toxic, that I remember someone posting articles from Eaton or some other bum ripping Hermie and saying he was the worst in baseball. The guy had basically 2 decades as, by far, the goat for maintaining health, but his routines were bad or archaic or some nonsense. I'll still stand on the reason Chris Sale is still around today was because of how the Sox and Herm managed his shoulder and arm. I don't care if you thought Schneiders programs were from the stone age, results are undeniable. Since he's left too, we've been a dumpster fire.

If we're going as far as including Dave Wells, then you should give the Sox their flowers for having an insane run of health from 2001-2016.

Yeah, a walking mile in eight minutes would hurt if you aren't doing it almost every day. It would be less impact to run it, than to try to racewalk 8 minute miles, if you were not a speedwalker. That hipswing isn't easy.

Certain posters will stop mucking up every single thread.....how's that for BOLD?

Bold prediction is we threaten our season long futility pace in the first half before becoming a bad but not historically bad team in the last two months to finish around 55-107.

Questioning them is fine. Treating every little thing like it's unique to the White Sox and a result of their dysfunction is being willfully ignorant and lazy.

First 12 starts for Charlotte: 39.2 IP | 5.67 ERA | 12.3 K/9 | 6.8 BB/9 | 1.80 K/BB Last seven starts for Charlotte: 32.0 IP | 3.66 ERA | 13.8 K/9 | 3.09 BB/9 | 4.45 K/BB Four appearances with White Sox: 19.0 IP | 1.42 ERA | 10.4 K/9 | 3.3 BB/9 | 3.1 K/BB

Sox normally do a 5k every year around the stadium. We can make it an event. Winner gets to pick 1 poster to ban for a year.

Him and Don Cooper not pushing guys to go 100% with every pitch.

Recently set a personal best in the mile. Made it about 1200 feet

Not so bold. Every time a Sox player is mentioned we'll think who? 🤔

F*ck it. All Star Miguel Vargas.

I thought it was that the first three diagnosis made are wrong, and then a tidbit from another patient helps you realize the initial diagnosis was correct?

I think the, "Oh they might break the record again" stuff will be out the window somewhat quickly. Instead of starting 3-22 they'll be more like 8-14. Finish between 55-60 wins.

I would be surprised TBH. Baseball player "shape" doesn't really dictate mileage types of training. They need to be fast for short sprints, and not over distance. A full out sprint around the bases is 360 feet. A mile is 5280 feet. It's a different type of fitness.

Don't sell yourself short. There are a LOT of people who couldn't hit an eight minute mile, and that is speaking as someone who broke 5 minutes in college a long time ago. I would bet a vast majority of people couldn't do it. Hell I couldn't do it today.

No problem with questioning it. Should always get secind opinions. The issue is when they absolutely know that it was all mishandled and was wrong. If the statement was why didn't they find the hairline fracture, thats one thing. To demean them because they called it a sprain at first just shows they have no idea of the evaluation process and what goes into it.

Optimists and pessimists were united for once in their belief that he' d either get injured again or wouldn't pitch over around 100 innings. When ptatc says what happened was borderline miraculous ,he 's right. No one could find anyone who did what Crochet did with a similar background . Anyone acting like Crochet being a sucessfull starting pitcher was just a matter of time because he had an arm that could throw 2 pitches hard and accurately with his injury history, not having started since his injury filled college career is just pretending to be smarter than everyone else and blaming the Sox for his injuries. It's highly likely without him being as physically mature and stronger now that he would have been injured starting or relieving back when he 1st started his professional career.

If the team stays healthy I'm expecting the team to win at least 81 games, maybe more.

Oh Luis will get hurt running the bases in the first week and tear something

Wow. Your predictions read like my eventual suicide note.

https://www.mlb.com/news/chicago-white-sox-spring-training-prospect-report-2025 Everyone but Braden… “Jacob (Gonzalez) is in better shape this year,” Janish said. “He got beat up last year in his first full season. His DNA is more geared to contact than power, but he can learn when to take a shot at the plate. I was skeptical initially of whether he was a big league shortstop, but he knows what he can and can’t do and makes all the plays. He was the shortstop on the Double-A champions and he’s better than he gets credit for.”

I'm not going down this discussion again but every player blames the medical staff for malpractice when things don't go right. Most often they are wrong. Not always but most of the time. They don't understand the process either. Again no medical professional is right all the time. This could have been one of the mistakes. If that is the only significant one, that's an impressive record.

It would be great if they were right all the time. Unfortunately, that just isn't medicine. There is a reason its called the practice of medicine. No one is right all the time. All physicians have had medical malpractice lawsuits.

Great callout. There’s an interview that you may have seen where Deng flat out blames the Bulls for failing miserably with his injury diagnoses. He mentioned how he contemplated suing them but decided against it since he was primarily a Bull for his entire career and didn’t want to ruin that in any way.

I know, the medical knowledge on this site is astounding. Most really should be working for the Mayo clinic.

Sell the team, Justin

Exactly .There are levels to " breaking out". You can break out as a rookie just by pitching well enough to compile good enough stats to be considered as an MLB starting pitcher the next year such as Cannon did. Both Cannon and Crochet broke out, just in different ways . Cannon broke out from being a minor league pitcher to being an MLB who stayed in the rotation long enough and did well enough to be considered as part of the rotation this year.Granted it's on a terrible team but he held his own against non terrible teams last year. He wasn't pitching against any 121 loss teams.

I mean, you can basically walk a mile in 10 minutes at a pretty decent pace if you're in somewhat decent shape. So I agree with Crede, 8 isn't killing it by any means.

If you ever got your chance to interview for the Sox GM job and won it, would your teams have won 130 games a year?

Yeah that seems like revisionist history. There was a ton of "what are they doing to him?"

No one doubted it in relief. Although before the UCL there was a decrease in velocity but xould have been the elbow issue. Everyone doubted the arm for starting. Everyonewas shocked when they made him a starter prior to opening day.

Nor should you. I was referring to it as a breakout candidate not the actual performance. What he did borders on miraculous. Very innovative and ground breaking program.

You know there are a lot of potential outcomes in between Garrett Crochet-level breakout and failure. You act like Crochet's breakout was foreseeable. The thread announcing him as opening day starter a year ago was full of people criticizing the move and saying we had an opener starting game 1.

The person not to be taken seriously is the one throwing around more strawmen than the wicked witch's flying monkeys.

I tend to agree with you. Now odds they strike lightning in a bottle twice in a row, probably slim, but Burke has electric stuff (maybe not quite Crochet stuff but its pretty darn good). Just like Crochet he has had consistent health troubles that cause us all to not know whether he can actually be someone you can count on. For those reasons - I feel like an ideal Burke trajectory is anything even remotely close to what Crochet did and I'd probably do the same thing if he had that sort of a year - use it to continue to improve the high end talent in the organization...multipliers.

No there isn't. If only go to se wins then yes. However if you can enjoy a baseball game then there isnt.

Crochet had never started in his life. I would say both Burke and smith have electric stuff as well. With more quality pitches than crochet showed before last year.

Be honest. Did you think Garrett Crochet was going to be what he was prior to opening day last year? I didn't think so, so last year they didn't have a Garrett crochet either.

Thats only true if you can't just enjoy a baseball game. I know they are going to suck and not win much but a summer baseball game is still enjoyable for many.

Why can't you imagine a staff of Cannon (161), B. Wilson (102), Thorpe (102), Burke (90), S. Smith (94) and Davis Martin (70) throwing 120 IP each? That's 4 IP for 30 games. You're saying that none of these guys are major league pitchers and won't be able to handle pitching loads they just threw last year. This also presupposes they all will completely forget how to pitch to major league hitters. That seems fanciful.

Sosa hits 20 HRs. Drury, Robert, Perez, Booser, B. Wilson, Murfee, Tauchman all traded by the TDL. Vargas puts up 110 RC+. Davis Martin - All-Star rep. Colson up in May, 2+ bWAR by end of year. 60 wins.

To be fair, Crochet only had slightly more than a 0% chance of being as good as Crochet last year, per most assessments (mine included)

I have been to Opening Days on the South side for many years. ODs have gotten a lot better every year since the Sox moved across the street. Now it's just a massive picnic. The feeling among the crowds is similar to what we have down Western Ave. with the SS Irish parade...everyone is in great spirits, smiling, and sharing a lot of camaraderie, drinks and food with family and friends. To me it's a sign of Spring and the baseball season to come. The games are usually played in cold conditions so the starting pitcher and the players (and us fans) need to soldier through that. Our OD starter may not have been the consensus pick based on match-ups and metrics, but rather for his grit and determination. I am 100% behind him and the team. Our group will have a great time, win or lose, rain or shine as we always do on Opening Day.

Agreed as ivwill be in attendance.

I just hope the weather is nice, the stadium is packed, and, most important of all, that everyone has fun.