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Careful boys, we still need that high draft pick. 🙃

Official now, Bryse DFA'd

How about this...in 2000 the White Sox won 95 games, they had the 26th ranked payroll, the #1 ranked farm system in the country and 2 million in attendance. In October 2000 they handed the keys to KW and told him he could spend money. He doubled the payroll from $30 million in 2000 to $60 million in 2001...and the team went basically .500 in his first four years. Conversely Chris Getz was hired Sept 1, 2023, given a 101-loss team, with a top 10 payroll, the 28th ranked farm system, 24th in attendance with orders to dramatically cut payroll and Tony Larussa as special adviser to baseball operations, coaching and player development staffs. Come on man, when they hired Hercules to clean up King Augeas' stables no one thought it would happen without a lot of s%*# flying everywhere. Maybe we give the poor man a bit more time before we label KW 1000 x better.

This 7:10 start is bullshit. The new Sox 6:40 start is where it's at.

Over a .333 win percentage. The dream is coming true.

did you watch the play?

DFA and let Baldwin play 2b

I was complimenting him. Anyone can be a curmudgeon with this team and ownership and we all have been . I hope for all the young Sox fans out there that if the Ishbias ownership comes to pass it ushers in a new era of White Sox baseball that has never been witnessed before like actually making the playoffs often without the need to rebuild .

I didn't say the rebuild will succeed. I just said I'm enjoying watching them get better because it's exciting new blood and not tired old blood. I said nothing at all definitive about the current team except I'm enjoying the difference between last year and this year . I don't have to involve myself about where they end up playing.Not my problem. I may not live long enough to see them win another World Series so I'll just enjoy the sport and the new blood .

I literally said I didn’t agree with the OP’s aggressiveness, but the quality of this board is beyond fucking garbage right now. Competent discussion can not be had because people are so pissed off and just s%*# on everything regardless of merit. My post wasn’t about being right, but rather calling a spade a spade. If you enjoy what this place has become, then more power to you. I know for me, when the Sox reach the point of providing zero joy whatsoever I take a break from the team and this site. I basically stopped posting for a month because the team was so insufferable. Wish others would do the same. This place should never be a safe space free of criticism do the team, but it also shouldn’t be a total whine fest to the point where baseball discussion can’t be had.

From the same people who brought you the Last Comiskey documentary comes a new one that will be released on You Tube in a few weeks. It's called Torborg and runs over 90 minutes. I'll have the You Tube link for everyone when it is released to the general public. This past weekend Jeff's family and friends had a celebration of his life in New Jersey and they were the first to see it. Included in the documentary will be comments from a number of baseball people including Nolan Ryan, Ozzie Guillen, Scott Fletcher, Wayne Edwards, broadcaster Gary Thorne, Dave Gallagher, Jerry Reuss, Matt Merullo, Dan Evans, broadcaster Tom Shaer, broadcaster John Rooney, Lance Johnson, Donn Pall, Scott Radinsky, Jack McDowell, Phil Bradley and others. I've seen both the trailer and the full documentary because of my participation and I can tell you it is a wonderful retrospective of his life. The world lost a good man. https://www.southsidesox.com/2025/1/20/24347853/the-right-man-for-the-right-franchise-jeff-torborg-chicago-white-sox-dies-age-83

There are some here that really need to read this story and stop with the "Sox are moving to Nashville..." nonsense.

I feel like Sox were outplayed tonight BUT not by so much that they couldn't sneak out a win. Last year they just never got those games where the other team was hitting into loud outs and lost because of it.

CAN'T BANG TRASH CANS IN A DUMPSTER FIRE YOU MIGHT BURN YOUR HANDS

I will not get tired of beating the Astros for a long time

I'm ready to bring Brooks back.

He should put his hands even higher!

Taylor first pitch 101.5 MPH

Has helped them win 3 games. That’s more than most on this team.

Baldwin should never have left. Put him at 2nd base and 8th in the line up and let the kids play

Antonacci leadoff HR on the first pitch. Dash lineup really missed him, but he might not be there for long at this rate. Perez goes B2B. Leads the league in RBIs (39), tied for second in HR (12). And now Braden goes yard too LOL, 107mph 424ft to right center.

I'll settle for making the playoffs two years in a row without a weird Covid year.

If this team is really taking a step forward I would like to see better road games. 3-3 on the trip would be a pleasant surprise. Especially considering we were 2-11 last year against TEX/HOU.

KW was successful before the sport started modernizing because he was a really good talent evaluator. Once other teams started leveraging, analytics, biomechanics, pitching labs, other technology, etc the org imploded. And honestly, a lot of that falls on him. He was certainly leagues better than Rick Hahn as GM though. Still way too early to judge Getz with any certainty.

You know who helped build up the farm system as the director of operations there and then the VP of player development between 1995-2000? Kenny Williams. Again, him and Getz are nothing alike. Kenny earned his promotion, then proceeded to win 10 out of 13 years with one title. Getz failed upward and has overseen two historically bad White Sox teams. Going back to another thread where I admitted my past wrongs to Kenny: "Kenny Williams wasn't the best GM in baseball, but he was a guy who put a competitive product on the field nearly every year for over a decade. He would have made the playoffs nearly 50% of his seasons under the new format, and truly only had one atrocious season."

People forget that a big reason KW wasn't able to build any sort of farm in the latter half of his tenure is JR's underslot draft preferences and unwillingness to spend anything in LA when it was a massive advantage to have facilities down there. I partially put the Wilder fiasco on JR, because LA wasn't important and Wilder was probably just a downstream effect of trying to do it half assed on the cheap. He was a perfectly cromulent GM that did what he could and delivered some great iconic Sox players and one iconic Sox WS winner. The only one all of us have ever seen. Getz inherited Hahn's White Sox. Not KWs. Don't go there either.

Jeff Torborg was a classy guy.

Kenny Williams was 1000 times the GM Getz is. No idea how anyone could argue otherwise.

From 3 people to 5.

no fucking range either.

Rojas is bringing nothing. Dump him.

Tis a good farm night!

With Albertus coming back and probably heading out to Kanny soon, I'd like to see Bonemer to WS - Antonacci to BIR - Jacob Gonzalez to CHA, he's been swinging it pretty well and carrying a healthy SLG/OPS over the past 5-6 weeks.

Gotta keep it simple I suppose. Though it is weird that the "Jedi" apparently believe in Emperor Jerry.

Just get Sosa or Baldwin in there for Rojas and this looks like a real offense almost.

I can't believe this got down to judging Kenny's time as GM. People have lost their minds.

With his stuff, I think he gets a longer leash.

I don't think the core of that 1990 team had anything to do with KW. Frank Thomas and Ray Durham were Larry Himes guys. Konerko trade was Schueler as was the Jose Valentine pickup, Ordonez and Lee were 91 and 94 UDFA which would also have been Schueler. KW from his bio was Minor League director in 95 and 96 and in those two draft classes I think there was only one important player...Joe Crede a fifth rounder. Yes he may have built that #1 farm system but it seems it mostly fizzled. KW was a fun GM because he was always pushing the throttle...and we'll always have 2005. But we were in a golden position in 2000 and I just think expectations in 2001-2004 were much higher than outcomes. I'm not sure there is another way to judge a GM. As for judging Getz...can't argue with his record as minor league director...it was terrible...but man he came in and burned things down when he had the power. I think the outcome since taking over the 101 loss team with the 10th highest payroll and the 28th ranked farm system were pretty much at expectations...historically bad. But going forward he has to prove things.

I did a quick positive vs negative WAR from trades and free agents for Hahn and he was remarkably close to 0.0 WAR factoring in every move I looked at. It was by no means exhaustive and I'm sure I missed a few players, but that level of incompetence is almost laudable.

He's gonna be one hell of a closer.

So Grant Taylor....

Kenny Williams had 3 losing seasons in 13 years as GM and the most games he ever lost was 90. His other two losing seasons had 79 wins. It's not even close.

Pitchers absolutely love working with him. They talk about him like he's a god.

Jeff Torborg was respected and liked by everyone; I wish the Sox would have held on to him.

Alvarez was in the system in 90, but made his debut 8-11-91. He threw a no-hitter.

I was totally against this but Bannister did a great job elaborating on their plan. It makes sense.

Because I watched Hahn dumpster dive for a decade plus and fail to get any kind of meaningful production on the positional side. The reality here is our scouting department has gone through significant changes and we have also embedded analytics into our core operations finally. As Sox fans who have every right to doubt Chris Getz because of his lack of a resume, we must look for wins on the margins to assess whether we think what he’s doing is working or not because this s%*# isn’t getting fixed over night. By no means does this one move mean anything in isolation, but if we eventually see enough of them there may be some reason for optimism. I wouldn’t consider that “crowing”, but rather intelligent White Sox fans looking for some signs of progress after witnessing the past regime (including Getz in some capacity) run this org into the ground.

Nice job. Those were some fun teams to watch - especially the rivalry with the A’s.

With a number of kids being called up it is important at the very least psychologically that you can't keep blowing late leads. It has happened seven times this year the Sox took a lead into the 7th inning or later and lost the game. Yes they aren't going anywhere this year (or next year) but you need to finally start establishing some sort of winning momentum/ winning culture in the organization moving forward. If Taylor can help win some games by stabilizing the back end of an awful, atrocious bullpen then he needs to get the chance. Better to see what happens with him now with not as much on the line than say two/three years from now if the Sox are a contender and the bullpen is still a mess.

Neat. Sure seems the org thinks he's a bullpen arm. Should be electric in that role. Lord knows the bullpen needs help. I'll still hope he transitions into a starter a la Crochet though. 🥲