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If you actually line up the players we have now, and the players still in the farm system, and start to realistically project who arrives, and when they probably arrive, the Sox are still missing a lot of line up players and power in 2027. MAYBE what happened to Schultz, Smith, and Taylor all largely flopping as starters gets fixed next year, and you can start to project them a bit more dependablely, but outside of Braden, there are no OFs. There is no realistic 30 homer power. The pen MIGHT come together, if again, all the guys who fell back this year, suddenly all move forward again. The other highest ceiling hitters are all so young. Even if this bucket of kids get to the majors, they all won't hit at once, and they definitely won't stick at once. Some kids take years to figure it out, and the Sox aren't dripping with replacements. Realistically, 2027 is a good year to maybe hope toward push .500.

Between stadium, debt, and the awful state of this team, I don't see them spending beyond the C/D/F tiers of free agency for a while. The Sox are largely out of trade bullets unless Luis Robert defies the odds and #1, has his option exercised, #2 is healthy for another season, and #3, gives us his 2nd both healthy and productive season in 7 seasons. This vague "well [insert team here] did it" is basically ignoring the situation on the ground. Who and how?

Every team wanted to hire Stearns. Getz wouldnt be hired by any other mlb team. The crazy comparisons to other GMs is wild.

Braden, unfamiliar with standing at first base, stole second shortly after this to get back to more comfortable territory.

Team has been so bad lately we talking bout airfryers now lol

Saw this tweet and it’s absolutely perfect

He needed this one, hope it gets him going.

2 things: I think you're underrating the importance of 2B defense. It's shortstop without the throw and a lot more players bat left-handed than ever before. More balls get pulled to the right side than ever. Range is important there. More important defensive position than 3B for sure just in terms of how many balls are being hit that way, though SS is still the king of the infield. But I might remove a couple of those '>' signs lol. The other thing is that Sosa is pretty much league average defensively at 2B. Statcast ranks him 60th percentile in outs above average. In terms of qualified 2B, he ranks 26/42, basically tied with Jose Altuve or Luisangel Acuna...beats out gold glover Brice Turang surprisingly. He's also just getting better across the board. He was 10th percentile in 2024. His bat has obviously improved. He might just keep getting better, right? Now that he's getting extended play. His bat has gotten better every month (and every season), he has 9 homers in July and August compared to 6 the rest of the season in ~100 fewer plate appearances. He improved from a really bad defender to simply an average/slightly below one. I think you take that if he can hit a bunch of home runs and OPS around .800 like he has since June. The problem is that Meidroth is way better defensively in that regard, 89th percentile. I think Meidroth is the best shortstop on the team though and would be playing there if he was a 'prospect' the way Colson is. Meidroth could probably win some GGs at 2B, but thus far he hasn't really proven anything with the bat. Agreed that you don't really want him at 1B if you can help it (or anyone on the team currently...), but he's passable defensively at 2B with serious pop and hits for average with a sustainable babip. Maybe that's what you want out of a 2B on a team with a terrible offense. Or any team. It's his job to lose IMO and no one has really pressured him. Especially Brooks, ostensibly the guy he was competing against for the job to start the year. One might expect Meidroth to become the better hitter in the long run, love his profile, but so far he isn't. He's getting babip'd, but his eye in particular has regressed. One might also just prefer a middle infielder who can hit 20-25 HRs a season over a guy who hits 2 to 4. Personally, I think Vargas is the odd man out of the infield, that Colson should play 3B and Meidroth should play SS for the foreseeable future and we don't actually have a 1B or DH on the roster. If Jacob Gonzalez continues to hit at AAA, it makes things more complicated. Sosa might actually just be a good trade piece but there isn't any point in trading him any time soon. BTW, Lenyn Sosa's .743 OPS puts him in line with Christian Walker, Spencer Torkelson, Jake Burger, Arraez, Goldschmidt tier of first basemen...not in the Romy Gonzalez tier though...wtf?

And is young and a rookie. Sometimes I can't believe the takes on Soxtalk

We are such a hopeless fanbase that the team only being the second-worst team in the sport has people thinking we’ll be in the playoffs in two years.

@WestEddy was singing the praises of this team on August 1. Saying stuff like he thought this was a new and improved team that could finish their remaining games close to .500. I laughed at the idea that this team could finish out the last two months of this season around .500. I guess time will tell but all I see is more of the same. Yes, the team is younger but that doesn’t mean they’re any good either. 4-11 since the TDL.

In the seven games this season in Kansas City the Sox were outscored 34-9. 🤡

not saying I think they will but trading one of the few players that has consistently improved here and is now at least league average and cheap would be fucking insane.

I'm just so tired of losing.

It's been that way pre Getz and he wasn't exactly good in his previous position either. He got the job because no one really wanted it and Jerry did not want to hear from possible GMs that he sucks as an owner.

This current front office has not proven to me that they can draft, develop players, or trade for players competently. And Getz has had terrible results so far in the latter two. Maybe the Crochet deal will work out well for us, but last I saw, we don't have any other Garret Crochets sitting around to be traded for a decent haul. "Well, the [name some other MLB team] went from 100+ losses to the playoffs in a couple of years, therefore so can we" is terrible game plan for a MLB franchise.

No Major League baseball team should be this bad. I agree with you 100%. How the hell do we absolve the current guy in charge when this team is so devoid of talent?

With the IF we have, an even meh level LF level for Vargas would help things along.

Last year I could see going winless in KC or anywhere else but not this year. A few years ago the Orioles lost all 18 games they played against the Rays so crazy stuff happens. Venable eventually might be good but I still say it was a mistake to hire a rookie manager.

He has no idea how to evaluate talent

Baby, we got a lineup of hitters now. We got this

Can Schriffen just stay on vacation? McKnight is much better.

Was listening to a game in a background yesterday where this came up in a broadcast interview, and the guy said the sunglasses guys wear to bat are different colors/filters specifically to account for being able to still see the ball.

I've never understood how hitters can wear sunglasses when they hit. Seems like it would make it harder to see the spin.

Cmon shorten up. Make contact....made this guy a pitcher

Colson is pulling off everything. Needs to start using whole field as the average is plummeting.

yeah when the sox are up

I agree with all of this and thank you for laying it all down like that. My only rebuttle is about the lenyn thing that long term speaking is there a spot on the roster for both Vargas and Sosa who are average-below average at one position over a brooks baldwin utility man+better hitter. I mean can either play left over Benintendi where we can hide the bat or are they worth enough of a bat to hide. edit is in bold just so no one's replying to the wrong wording.

Excited for this stuff to disappear from my Twitter timeline.

Don’t mind the send because there were two outs by Quero was pulling a wagon by the end.

He has haters?

I mean, this would qualify as Banana Ball, no??

Analysts ranked this iteration of the Sox farm system 2nd through 6th before a lot of the graduations, as I recall. Tigers aren't really spending money, the only vet they've given a multi-year contract to in recent memory is Javy Baez which was ahead of their 66 win season (down from 77 wins). Reminiscent of signing Benintendi after an 81 win season before losing 101 the next. DET is 15th in payroll as a team looking to compete for a World Series. Our Sox were 6th in payroll in that 81-81 season, 8th in payroll in 2011 coming off an 88 win season. The problem doesn't tend to be payroll, it's been bad management. Obviously JR is the source of bad management, but I'm not sure it's a money issue. Whether or not JR will spend money seems like speculation. Who knows what lessons he learned, I haven't asked him. It seems like a logical assumption, but it would also hold true for every other non-LAD/BOS/NYY team. History of the Sox/Bulls suggests that the pocketbook opens up (to some extent. Bulls mighta won a title if they paid the luxury tax in 2010-11) when the team is in a position to compete. It opened up for Albert Belle right after the strike, seemingly contradictory to his 'philosophy'. The team was garbage in 2022 and they still overpaid Benintendi instead of taking a flyer on Teoscar Hernandez or Cody Bellinger. If I was going to speculate on JR's psyche, I might think: the team is sold, Reinsdorf is 90-years-old...this is his last chance, if he was ever going to spend money, it would be now. Not sure who they'd spend it on though. I'd go after Kyle Tucker, but why would he come here, and I'd also wait a year and see what parts of the roster actually need to be supplemented. Besides, my post was only to say that this is the third year of the rebuild and the team's fortunes seem to be turning around in a similar way as those other two teams that really don't spend any money. Orioles blew it by not spending, the Tigers might blow it in the same way. I think the Sox farm has some things in common with those Orioles guys too. Colson is Gunnar. Teel/Quero are Rutschman. Hagen and Schultz are Grayson Rodriguez and DL Hall. Tim Elko is Coby Mayo. Jackson Holliday is Popeye Rodriguez. 2027 is a more logical assumption than 2030. 2030 doesn't make any sense as a timeline, all of our current prospects will be approaching 30 and nearing free agency at that point, it'll likely be a totally different team. It genuinely makes no sense because we'd be speculating on players who are still in high school. Or maybe it's an optimistic take and Alejandro Cruz, Eduardo Herrera, Yobal Rodriguez are the future of the franchise. I That doesn't mean it'll work out, all these guys could bomb, but I would probably change my perspective on the front office if we're not halfway competitive in 2027.

At least he didn't pop up and drop his head before jogging to 1B.

Orioles had the #1 farm system, and the Tigers were darned close. Tigers also have been spending more and more each year. JR simply isn't going go to go back to the $145-150 million payroll range again with negligible tv money coming in...$20-25 million compared to $70 million previously. 2020-2022 taught him a hard lesson.

Face it, Sosa is the best hitter on this team, so he should be in the lineup every day.

Beni should be depressed because he’s been a bust and no one wants him and his salary. I agree on the 2 catchers but bring Lee up and let Quero and Teel continue to rotate at catcher and DH, by bringing up Lee they don’t have to worry about an injury in a game to whoever is catching and losing the DH. I also agree on Meidroth, he brings lot of intangibles to the game, for one thing he’s pretty damn smart. I can’t believe some want to give up on him after only playing for a little over 3 months in the Majors.

I am pretty sure it isn't Venable.

35 games under .500 and people are acting like the decision makers are doing a good job

Poor bastard…

13 straight losses in Kansas City. Defies the law of averages...I wonder if that is a franchise record for most losses to an opponent on the road. Embarrassing. Have lost 10 of the last 12. Well on their way to 100+ losses.

This got me down the rabbit hole. The only American located White Sox affiliate with a record over .500 is Birmingham. Everything else between A and the Majors is at least 8 games under. Birmingham is 23 over, and DSL is 3 over. Chicago is 33 under. Charlotte is 8 under. Winston is 23 under. Kanny is 9 under.

We don’t know what the trade offers were. But I’m sure they got progressively worse since 2023. At some point, you have to cut your losses and take what you can Getz. If they don’t pick up Robert’s option and try to deal him again in the offseason or by the next trade deadline, they are an even worse organization than we already thought.

1) It doesn't take much to see that the organization doesn't think highly of Baldwin. Being pinch hit for in the 5th inning for Taylor is brutal. Wouldn't surprise me if Baldwin was moved in the off season. 2) Why pitch Vasil late in the game when you're losing 6-0. You would think he would be used in a better situation. Why waste him in a game that's a lost cause? He has been the best pitcher in the bullpen this past season.

I bet he goes to a good team and he takes off, just like Vaughn

I think they have to at this point. Unless Robert gets seriously injured, they will look like absolute clowns if they don’t pick up the option after passing on ANY trade offer at the deadline.

Tyler Alexander…

I mean, this is the team we thought they would be. They'll go on hot streaks, then go ice cold. I'm sure they'll right the ship for another small hot steak, then go cold again. There's an upside to these players, but young kids are susceptible to streakiness.