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Well after my rant in the other thread, maybe the Sox see the need to have coaches instead of over the hill players acting as coaches.

If you don't see being the 2nd worst team in baseball as a positive.... Amazing what losers Sox fans have become.

C is a passing grade. The Sox passed zero tests this year. D or F only options.

I am going to go with D- between that and an F. Yes there was "progress" in that we weren't the on going answer to any trivia questions for the history of Major League Baseball this season, but a couple of things stand out about that "progress". If you took this season in isolation, it is an easy F. They lost the third most games in franchise history, and were the 2nd worst team in Major League Baseball. I can give a few points for starting from the literal worst ever, and at least improving on it. Some of us spent last season, and the first half of this season talking about how we needed to get some of these in between guys some playing time to find out what we had in them, and quit wasting time on absolute trash washed up utility players. It FINALLY seemed to happen a couple of months into this season, and lo and behold, some of those guys actually had some talent. Lenyn Sosa, who was buried multiple times, for just flaming dumpster fire's of players over the last year and half, finally forced his way into the line up, and became the Sox most consistent hitter over the course of the season. Much like his MiLB career, he needed PAs to adjust, and he did. Again, outside pitching took us a large leap forward, while the internal candidates mostly floundered or preformed as well as could be expected. The Schultz/HSmith/GTaylor crowd was all very disappointing from a group you are looking for all star starters from. Position players from trades and from the previous regime also seemed to take nice steps forward. Seeing guys like Brooks and Chase push themselves on to the roster is a good thing. The Catching crew is a real bright spot going forward. Miguel Vargas, despite THE SWING CHANGE (don't know if you guys heard about that) ended up having a pretty pedestrian season, even including his blazing hot streak. Dude put up a 100 OPS+ after all of that fire. We seem to have some hitting doing some things at the lowest levels of the minors, such as Caleb Boennmer, and even into the mid minors in the case of the BMontgomery. Colson had the weirdest season I can recall, but seeing him have a huge period of success is a plus and shows he has a real ceiling in the majors. You just have got to keep him healthy and away from whatever seems to drag him down at various points of the season. The inability to really get much of anything at the deadline, again, was also a disappointment, especially since they seemed to be determined to repeat those mistakes in some cases, again.

I saw there were so many former Sox pitchers starting the WC series and i dont know whether to be happy, sad, depressed, or all of the above. I'll just stick with being a Sox fan and go with all of the above. That said I will be rooting for Crochet tomorrow (cause f*** the Yankees) and Cease on Wednesday. (cause f*** the cubs)

Is Katz the only person in the organization with a four-letter last name ending in "tz" being fired?

Maybe Clevinger is going to pivot into coaching.

Amazing to see so many coaches released after the "B" performance that was filled with positive things.

The Sox went 60-102, that's an awful season. I voted D only because the majority of the young players looked promising, but it could EASILY be an F. Sorry, but the bar isn't set at "Don't be the worst team of all time again."

I am going to disagree with you there a bit....on a 102 loss team, veterans who you do not or cannot flip at the deadline are not really that helpful. I really do not buy that veteran presence bullshit for the most part. Play the yungins.

Worst thing he did all season was the deadline. That was a disaster.

See I am the opposite. If I remove all context, this is a 102 loss team, a team that has lost the 2nd most games in MLB history over the last 2 and last 3 seasons, and the 2nd worst team in baseball. With no context, this is about the easiest F you will ever give.

Tray it would be wonderful if you could have one disagreement on this board without calling the other person stupid. It’s just tiresome. All you do is accuse the other side of not reading or they need to go to school or get a job or have no idea what they are talking about or they should go be cubs fans. Just terrible argument skills

Gonna go with a D The Good: - Some long term starters showed up The Bad: - I know we are supposed to ignore previous years, but with it being the 3rd straight 100 loss season we didn't even have pieces left to trade, so no exciting deadline piece added. - Bullpen still bad and looks like they'll have to pay to improve it - Still too full of tweeners who aren't great at defense but not good enough hitters to put on corners - Very middling year on the farm

This is perfectly said. Eloy mashed as a rookie. Let's see where things go before declaring the current crop of young guys a surefire thing.

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F...as said...102 losses! Imagine just a few years ago thinking that 100+ losses is ANYTHING but an F! That is how low the bar has been set...so sad and frustrating!

And also a .413 winning percentage is not good lol. Is it better than .253? Yes. But it is not good.

I really hope Baldwin is part of the 2026 plans for the White Sox and I’m not talking about a spot player. Give him a position somewhere in the outfield and put his name in the lineup every day! Am i off on this?

No one seems to think Venable going to manage the Texas Rangers after one year is even something to give a thought to except you.

Strong C to a light B. I understand the 102 loss argument, but I don’t feel things are that black and white. There’s a whole lot of nuance and circumstance behind that number. He came on the scene with a roster in complete disarray coupled with a severely toxic locker room. He made a slam dunk managerial hire and has brought in character-first players to completely rebuild the culture of this franchise. Doesn’t matter how great your roster is if the culture is irreparably toxic. To me, he has aced the biggest test of his tenure. Once you have a strong culture (and a dead Reinsdorf, if we’re being honest), it becomes much easier to attract talent and bring guys up from the minors to a good, supportive situation.

Didn't he say how much his wife loves Chicago? Who would want to go back to Arlington when you can live in a world class city?

I wanted to vote 'A' just for the trolling component of it, but I think it's a solid 84%. I'm generally pleased with how the rookies played. I liked the organizational hires. Minor leaguers are showing some real promise. I could genuinely see Bonemer being a top 20 prospect in MLB, Antonacci top 100. Plus the pitchers especially Oppor. Some really nice improvement from the 'back end' despite many of the top guys graduating. Best Rule 5 draft ever? Good pitching development. The real winner is the Crochet trade to me. I would've gotten totally played if I was selecting players from the Red Sox system. I liked the players we drafted this year. First 2 rounders are gonna be awesome, there are some gems in the later rounds. Ely Brown is a surefire MLB player. Like that we opened a new academy in the DR and revamped that Arizona facility. Like the Venable hire generally but he needs to take some big steps forward in his sophomore season. Like the improvements to players like Vargas, Sosa, Baldwin Dislike: free agency (outside Houser), trading for Mead, telling Schultz to stop throwing a cutter, (carrying over from last year because it's extra disappointing) the Hagen Smith pick. Vaughn and Thaiss trades were a bust (but marginal). Too many ABs given to players like Capra, Rojas, Palacios, Amaya, Noda, Dalbec etc. Booser trade was awful. No good LHP acquisitions. Hate all the 1 run losses, but that's probably on the coaching staff...which makes me think, like the recent firings (I guess, but who cheers when someone gets fired). I think Getz could've done better, especially in hitter acquisition department, but I'm not really caring if the team lost 100 or 90. I generally like the roster we finished the season with. We'll see what they can do in 2026. Hopefully Quero, Meidroth, Brooks, Sosa, Vargas can take a big step forward. I think the pitching is in good shape but there are a lot of question marks still with the hitters.

This is what I have learned from some posters on this site: 1. The technology to stack parking lots on top of each other to create so-called "garages" is too difficult and inconvenient to work for the Sox fanbase even though it works for countless other sports teams. 2. There's no practical way with today's engineering technology to adjust the grade of train tracks to separate them from pedestrian or vehicular traffic. Cutting-edge engineers call such a thing an "underpass" or "overpass", but it will never work. 3. There are no American cities that have built major structures on infill land reclaimed from water. Not Boston or New York City and certainly this hasn't been done anywhere in Chicago. 4. Sox fans simply will not go to games unless their team's stadium is located immediately next to an expressway and has acres of surface lots. The history of Sox fans packing the current stadium through thick and thin and the failure of the 20+ MLB teams that lack this arrangement to attract enough fans to keep up with the White Sox juggernaut proves this point.

I’m hoping we can keep this thread more at “this is my grade and why I gave this grade” as opposed to “why did you give that grade?” For everyone. we have a loooooooong offseason and plenty of time to argue

Ah yes, now that the Cease trade was a bomb, he had "less value" than we thought.

A record that had stood since the 1960s was finally broken last season — that alone shows how unlikely it was to happen in back-to-back years. The fact that the bar has now been set at simply not breaking an all-time loss record is unacceptable for a franchise in the third-largest market. This isn’t about “progress” or “holding steady.” When an organization performs so poorly that it posts the second-worst record in all of baseball, that’s not a sign of competence. It’s failure. To suggest otherwise only lowers expectations to an embarrassingly low level. The reality is this: an F is the only grade that fits. The standard for a team like the White Sox should never be “don’t embarrass yourselves again.” It should be competing respectably. Until the front office demands more, the results on the field won’t change.

From an entertainment standpoint, I understand your argument. Tauchman is an easy guy to root for.

When literally all they need to do is quote his own damned posts to show he is wrong/lying.

D. Colson, Teel, Quero, Shane Smith mostly keeping it away from an F. This team needs to add SP and a power bat or two before we're talking contention. With a lockout looming, I feel like Davis Martin, Sean Burke, and Jonathan Cannon are yet again locks for the OD rotation next year.

Had to go D. 100 losses would normally be a F but they did improve.

I gave a D because while it still was a top 4 worst season in the franchise history, there was some prospects that showed out in the second half and at least looked like they could hang in the major leagues. A long way to go but part of a foundation is there

I agree. Everyone playing well and you still lose. He got the job because JR needed something fast. He took over a 101 loss team. Now its a 102 loss team. Not good. They win more games next year and Schultz and Smith rebound, he can get a better grade, but right now it's F, although I really like Teel.

I got joy as a fan watching Mike perform all year. So that factors into my grade. He made every play he could on his old legs in RF and hit the hell out of the ball for the most part as our leadoff guy. That's the sort of thing that matters to me even in a losing year.

The postseason is beginning, and the White Sox are not in it. F.

I mean, it IS progress, but the fact that a third straight 100-loss season is progress is depressing.

lmao at "B" mired in mediocrity for all time

[slow clap]

Gordon Beckham 2009 vs. Gordon Beckham the rest of his career. Montgomery looks like a keeper now, his HR rate could be cut in half and it's still high, but things happen.

I am following instructions which said to ignore 2024 in the equation. Therefore, 102 wins gets you no better than a D in my book.

If this is truly just for 2025 and ignoring any larger context, I don’t see how a 102 loss team can get a grade higher than a D. The only exception would be if their star players were hurt for much of the season, but they weren’t really hit that hard with injuries and they don’t have any star players.

I get the urge to grade on a curve...but Getz knew the situation better than any of us...and took the job why? Just for the money and prestige or because he thought he had a plan? If he had a plan, he is entering his 3rd off-season with no card in his hand that will get him 2, 3 or 4 kids we feel "good" about (Crochett card)! I am thrilled we went younger this season...but 2 of those younger kids are someone elses kids (which is fine, it is how the sport works). So with no card like the Crochett card...who is being developed that will show up and have us excited about getting even younger? Smith and Schultz? Maybe...I hope so! But yikes unless those two figure something out in the off-season or spring training!

Exactly. .413 is a 95 loss season after the cherry pick.

They finished 29th overall, 24th post All Star Break. Still a failure no matter how you break it up, unless you remove all of August and a couple weeks of September.

C- feels about right. Biggest pluses were Colson, Teel and the Rule 5 guys. Quero, Baldwin, Vargas and Sosa had their moments…along with Meidroth, but none of those guys feel like the heart of a pennant contender at present time due to various flaws. Schultz, Hagen Smith and Braden the three obvious keys to the future, and the 2026 draft pick. Speed defense execution/fundamentals, the bullpen and rotation, all need dramatic improvements, especially with Robert (at some point, hopefully) and Taylor both gone.

The biggest cancer is the owner.

I gave him a C, how do you build a team working for an owner who would make Ebeneezer Scrooge proud.

Ask the pitchers who did it if it means anything to them. Thirty or so years ago when Pizza Hut was giving a free pizza to anyone with a ticket stub from a shut out we'd have been eating like kings.

Looked pretty reasonable

Kmet had an absolutely awful game and you could legit say he would have lost them the game. special teams has a lot of work to do, it seems like all opponents take it past the 30 on kickoffs. That last return almost cost them there is some things to be happy about, Caleb and Rome have a legit chemistry that we haven’t seen since Marshall and Cutler