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He reminds me of a moron. Was Ken Blanks a moron?

I’m going to take one for the team but it’s worth it. You’re an imbecile see yall in a month everyone

SHUT THE FUCK UP DUDE. Your posts are garbage. UCL tears do not happen in one game. Coop did not cause an UCL tear on him by pitching him 14 innings. But let’s pretend Coop didn’t do his job because Hansen and Dunning is also hurt in the minors right? Let’s also ignore the fact that everyone was down on Rodon this time last year but he has recovered better than any of us cuz of thought. Typical garbage posts pretending sky is falling in time of adversity trying to find someone to blame. REAL MATURE.

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Yoan Moncada= Strike out king with less WAR on the year than David Bote Lucas Giolito= xFIP of 5.48. That is no bueno. Reynaldo Lopez=xFIP of 5.42. Not as bad as Giolito but still no bueno Michael Kopech= In the infirmary for the foreseeable future Luis Robert= No homers so far in full season minor league play and is built like the tin man. Nick Madrigal= No dingers or triples in 43 minor league games Jake Burger= Probably retore his achilles answering the door for his Dominoes Pizza delivery Carson Fulmer= Soon to be pursuing opportunities on the traveling swim meet circuit as a goggle salesman. Letting Rick Hahn and company architect this rebuild was a terrible decision. Where is the light at the end of the tunnel?

Woah, take it easy there tough guy. No one is gloating here. Sometimes the truth really does sting. I'm an authentic fan! I want this organization to win another WS in my lifetime. That is never going to happen under this current regime and it is becoming more and more clear with each passing day. People are already talking about trading Rodon on here and how the Kopech injury is gonna push back the rebuild window a couple years. Why delay what seems inevitable at this point? Fire Hahn and company and hire some people who actually know what they are doing.

I knew you would be on here gloating in the wake of this terrible news and you didn’t disappoint. This must be the best day of your year, you fake f***ing fan.

inchlong is a boring troll. Yawn.

You are gonna get flamed for this post man. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Moncada. Everything is going according to plan with him. Just be patient. He will be putting up numbers that put Javy Baez to shame in two years.

Go look at the Yankees and the Athletics, the 2 teams that are going to take the AL Wild Card this year, and ask yourself if your roster comes anywhere close to measuring up to them. Severino, Judge, Torres, Stanton, Chapman, and $50 million+ to play with this offseason, and they're a wild card team. Really, you think you're going to sneak into a wild card spot in this league with Moustakas and Cargo? Not with these teams. If you're going to sign someone, fine. Clearly we have to sign 2 starting pitchers minimum, we simply don't have the horses right now to even field a roster. But don't even think about the Wild Card while doing it, think about the holes you have and flipping guys only. If some magic happens and Moncada outplays Trout next year, then great, but you can't make business decisions where a key part of it is "and then a miracle occurs".

Enough of the excuses. This team was expected to be ready to get after it in 2020. Maybe Rick Hahn and company are in over their heads and not the right guys for the job?

The inability of the front office to develop young talent is why the rebuild was necessary, yet that same front office is now in charge of developing young talent again. Really is mind blowing, but you cant fire the owner so here we are.

I'm just here for the hot taeks.

This Kopech news has hit me hard, but the worst part without question is having to endure Tommy Longo trying to use this as part of his agenda. Rick Hahn did NOT cause the tear in Kopech’s UCL and using that against him is just plain trolling.

I do agree, there isn’t another organization in baseball that would have let RH do a rebuild after seeing his previous results. It makes me very skeptical. As for the other stuff, all true, but....that is part of development. If you are all in on a rebuild, you have to expect things like this, not everyone will work out. Some will get hurt, some will suck, some will improve and be what they were projected to be. It takes a little while and a lot of luck. We just have to hope Ricks previous results are no indication as to how this will work out, or we all are going to be pretty upset.

Oh, so the actual prospects were determined by you after the fact. Basabe was hitting 258 in A ball when they acquired him. By your philosophy of batting average and contact, he shoudn't have been considered an actual prospect, so don't count him on your list. Hind sight is 20/20.

I'm beginning to wonder if this young man is capable of learning. It has been brought to his attention, by coaches and teammates that he needs to be more aggressive, in two strike counts. Yet, he continues to take called third strikes. I'm sorry, but being a good baseball player requires a certain degree of baseball smarts, or acumen. He better wake up and begin to figure that out, or this League is going to eat him up. If we, as fans, can see this, you have to wonder why he can't. He also continues to try to pull everything. Anderson has discovered that there are a lot of base hits, to be derived from taking outside pitches to the opposite field. Moncada can't seem to grasp that. I've said it before, but despite taking a lot of pitches, far too many of his at bats are not good at bats. Is anyone else getting tired of his stubborn insistence on doing the same things, over and over again, in spite of less than acceptable results? Do you think that the Boston front office might have thought that he was a "head case"? What a waste of talent? I don't know what Madrigal will amount to, but his baseball acumen will be a refreshing change, after watching Moncada. I. apologize for the rant, but it's getting hard to take, especially after the let down over Kopech.

How he's a. still allowed to post, and b. actually being taken seriously is beyond me. Literally every. single. one. of his posts are just fear mongering negativity. It's not even a well-hidden troll job

U guys really think this guy has had a good year and shown improvement from last year? When I look at his stats I see a barely above replacement player who has a lower wRC than heavy hitters like Alen Hanson. Nothing about this kid screams elite to me. Go watch Atlanta, NY, or the Nats if you want to see some truly elite young talent.

Posting on a board is for enjoyment and information. It is not a legal nor ethical right. Those countries have a few more issues than posting on a privately held website. We are going back to ad absurdum discussions again.

I would have banned Tom Party a long time ago. He's clearly trolling. His whole persona is about incitement. Not my board though.

You forgot posts worth reading = 0.

Yes it was; good question.

I figured the news about Kopech would have brought Greg back. Seriously, he hasn't posted since they started winning.

Going to be very quick because I’m home on leave for the weekend, but I really don’t share the pessimism for 2019. Next year was more about Moncada/Anderson/Rodon/Giolito/ Lopez making progress. Kopech was a hell of a nice topper, but if those other guys didn’t progress as expected, it was going to be meaningless. Let’s sign a few FAs, call up Eloy two weeks in, and win 86 games and shoot for the second WC. Be ready to dominate in 2020 when Kopech returns and Cease, Madrigal and others join us. Keep your heads up.

The epic fail was thinking this needed it's own post, let alone it's own thread. There is a section of Soxtalk that needs a binky.

@greg775 where are you? We need you more than ever

Im going to have to disagree with you on this. For one, I fucking hate the ENTIRE front office of this team with the FIRE of 1,000 suns. I hate them, because these Forest Fucking Gumps in the front office keep fucking up. Secondly, a fan could give them a mulligan for making "one" poor judgement in terms of bringing up a prospect too early. Say, Carson Fulmer, for example. A patient man could forgive them for screwing up a second call up, such as bringing up Moncada WAY too early. But, when "bad luck" keeps happening with callups, it's a trend. This front office could screw up a cup of coffee. There is/was a cost-benefit risk to stupidly bringing up Kopech for a few measly starts vs. AAAA comp, while squandering service time. A blind, drunk monkey could have seen that there is/was miniscule potential reward to squandering service time, while there is/was a clear and present risk to the organization by squandering Kopech's (or Moncada's) potential. In other words, just fire everyone in the FO, and find people who aren't imbeciles to get us out of this ongoing nightmare.

Ironic, coming from the guy who thinks Tim Anderson isn't good solely due to his OBP

This is NOT Moncada's 1st year in the bigs. He had 199 AB's last year and now has a total of 722 for his career. His BA this year is lower than it was last year. How many at bats does he need to prove himself? 1000? 2000? By the way, he now holds the MLB record for most strikeouts in a season by a switch hitter.

I woke up from a nap to this news the other day. Had to wipe my eyes because I thought it was a spam account. Truly unbelievable. The White Sox can’t have nice things. How many guys have gotten hurt this year? Seems like every major prospect. Just an absolute Mike Tyson level gut punch. Just as I was starting to get excited for the off-season and the rotation next year. This is why you throw a large volume of pitching prospects in the system. The silver lining is it happened now and not when they were competing. Get well Kopech. See ya in 2020!

The White Sox used a first round pick on a third baseman in the 2017 draft. I think they will just let Yolmer play there every day until Burger is ready. Also, I don't see the White Sox adding any significant payroll this offseason. Hell, they might even shed payroll by nontendering Avi and trading Abreau and Rondon. It might be time to embrace the tank for another 2 or 3 years.

Trout will probably go down as the greatest hitter I've (and the game has) ever seen.

Footlong is a Cub fan who follows the Sox in a bemused fashion. His manners have become commonplace in our political discourse. Before Internet these people would leave graffiti in public stalls.

Yoan Moncada= 1.1 WAR Edwin Jackson= 0.8 WAR Is this real life?

This is a general question. Half of the league is seemingly rebuilding, or on the verge of hopping on that bandwagon. How is the Sox rebuild special? Cubs, Rays, Astros rebuilds are always pointed to as examples of successful rebuilds- but they were ahead of the curve. Now everyone is doing it.

It's pretty foolish of you to even entertain this guy. You really think you're going to come to any sort of agreement? He's going to continue to troll you and you're buying right into it.

I couldn’t help but think if this guy burns his coffee in the morning he will basically considered his whole day fucked.

The Astros broke out in 2015 and made the playoffs, before winning the title in 2017. They had Keuchel under control for 4 seasons during their competitive stretch, 2015-2018. He was still pre-arbitration during 2015 when they made the playoffs. Rodon's last pre-arbitration year was 2017.

So you are pretty much okay with punting away the 2020 and 2021 seasons? A trade of Rodon for more prospects is pretty much conceding those seasons.

Quit comparing the Sox rebuild to the Astros. The Astros rebuilt mainly around position players and didn't trade a future HOF pitcher for Mark Appel. Also, you are assuming that the Sox FO is as talented as Luhnow and company. The Sox FO is nowhere close. It's like comparing a law degree from SIU to one from Harvard. The two are not even close to equal.

For all the folks who were around on the ESPN Sox forum in the early 2000s, does footlong remind you of Ken Blanks?

This is certainly a depressing list but it is what it is. There are 2 things that can be done this coming off season. Hahn can make some trades or he can sign some free agents. If you look at Hahns track record most of his trades and free agent signings have turned out bad. This is the 6th year under Hahn as the White Sox GM and the team has yet to have a winning season. Some people who post here keep talking about the White Sox going to the playoffs sometime soon. I'm just hoping the team has a winning season sooner rather than later. To the best of my knowledge Hahn is signed thru the 2019 season. If the 2019 season turns out to be another dreadful year I'm hoping Hahn will be gone.

The universe just told us " You can't have nice things! " The light has now been covered by a dense fog. ( Kopech torn UCL for future reference to this thread). Sigh.

I blame James Shields for this.

It's the age of advanced stats, even the players dont worry about batting average anymore. It's not a great sign but I wouldn't consider a redflag. He is far from a non-prospects at this point. The average batting average last year was .255.

This particular activity is all legs and is fine. I cant say that I agree with them all.

This staff's body of work sucks donkey dick. The data points keep coming in and as a bayesian I value the more recent data points exponetially more than the ones from 5-10 years ago. Cooper is living on borrowed time. So is this entire FO. Blow it up. Hahn has failed. The rebuild is a disaster right now. You've pissed off Eloy, you've blown out Kopech, you've not developed anybody to any degree of success this year and meanwhile you've got a softball coach as the manager.

Not aimed specically at you but my God doesn't anyone want a good pitcher ? Throwing around Shields and reclamaion projects . How about Patrick Corbin or someone good ?

Moncada has been playing very good ball of late.