Dick Allen Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 44 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Massively overvaluing this guy. He’s 7th in fWAR for starters in MLB the last 3 years. He won’t make 9 million next year. He will bring back a lot. 8 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaDoc Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 Agree that not all top 100 prospects are equal. Per MLB.com, there is one 70 FV,5 at 65 FV, and 11at 60. (Montgomery at 17 is their last 60 FV). Let's just assume the rankings are "correct" then if you get one of these 17, you could certainly take less on the second prospect. Also depending on how good the first two prospects are would impact what else you get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 3 hours ago, SoCalChiSox said: The LAD thing is interesting....but they aren't as good of a fit for us as BAL is. Maybe we leaked it to Bob to pressure Elias to let go of certain people. Getz said they want to focus on defense and athleticism...Busch is a butcher in the field and Rushing the Savage is a bat first player and somewhat duplicative with Quero. I like both players alot but it doesn't seem like this is what Getz wants. I feel this is more about leaking to pressure BAL. I got the impression they might be targeting Outman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 Need more rumors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 Why would the Sox want Outman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 8 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Why would the Sox want Outman? Why wouldn’t they want him? He’s already in the majors, hits lefty, is good defender, has a lot of team control. Checks a lot of boxes. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 19 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Why would the Sox want Outman? I wouldn’t want him to be the centerpiece but I’d take him. I feel like the Dodgers are thin in the OF though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 8 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I wouldn’t want him to be the centerpiece but I’d take him. I feel like the Dodgers are thin in the OF though. Yeah they’re not trading him unless it’s for Trout or Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 8 minutes ago, fathom said: Yeah they’re not trading him unless it’s for Trout or Robert Just as thin as they were at the beginning of last offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 Frasso, Pages, Busch, and Feduccia would be my asking price from the Dodgers. Feduccia just because we are likely to be in desperate need for a playable catcher at some point next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 Back side of the deal but I like Wroblewski as a piece from dodgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFest23 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said: I wouldn’t want him to be the centerpiece but I’d take him. I feel like the Dodgers are thin in the OF though. He'd be the centerpiece, cheap controllable everyday player. Him and Nick Frasso get it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 18 minutes ago, SoxFest23 said: He'd be the centerpiece, cheap controllable everyday player. Him and Nick Frasso get it done. It would be very stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 3 hours ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: Why wouldn’t they want him? He’s already in the majors, hits lefty, is good defender, has a lot of team control. Checks a lot of boxes. Outman is just a guy. He could be some sort of component but he shouldn't be the focal point of any deal 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 19 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Outman is just a guy. He could be some sort of component but he shouldn't be the focal point of any deal You asked why they wanted him at all. You didn’t ask why they would want him as a focal point. Those are two very different things. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Outman is just a guy. He could be some sort of component but he shouldn't be the focal point of any deal Yeah I have a gut feeling that he's a Dodgers lab created player that would be a JAG anywhere else. IMO, Baltimore is the best match unless the LAD are super desperate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 I am confused how Outman is just a guy? His first full season he hits 23 home runs and steals 16 bases 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 (edited) Frasso, Pages (platoon with Colas in RF, Busch (try him at 2B, if not then 1B or DH) and Knack. I'd do that deal with LAD. Actually based on baseball trade values it would be almost even and we'd be getting only an extra 6m in SV....so maybe we can throw in a reliever or something. If they balked, I'd also take Stone/Frasso, Busch and Pages and drop the 4th piece. C Cheap FA bridge 1B Vaughn 2B Lopez SS Montgomery 3B Moncada/Ramos DH Busch LF Beni CF Robert RF Pages/Colas platoon Edited November 20, 2023 by SoCalChiSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 They're not going to add a catcher over Quero/Lee unless it's Salas... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFest23 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 58 minutes ago, BigHurt3515 said: I am confused how Outman is just a guy? His first full season he hits 23 home runs and steals 16 bases Exactly. Everyone here would be thrilled if one of the players traded for Cease comes here and finishes 3rd in Rookie of the Year... But they don't want the guy who actually did it. Him, Frasso, and a few lesser prospects would be a solid (non-sexy) return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 11 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: They're not going to add a catcher over Quero/Lee unless it's Salas... Yeah I kinda don’t want to use one of our last chips for another catcher. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 (edited) James Outman has put up 5 WAR in first 155 career games, plays great OF defense, draws a ton of walks, is a 93rd percentile baserunner, and hits lefty and some people here are saying he's "JUST A GUY?!?!". That's absurd. And it's not just a blip. In 2022 he hit 32 HR combined across AA, AAA, and the majors, batting just under .300 with an OBP a touch under .400. The dude is EXACTLY what the Sox need. What are we doing here? Outman + Frasso + a lottery ticket arm like Hyun-Seok Jang or Brady Smith would be a great return. Edited November 20, 2023 by ChiliIrishHammock24 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 (edited) Bummer brought them bodies and a upside possibilities with a couple of pitchers because that is the extent of his worth. The Sox need younger prospects in their early 20s / late teens for Cease or Robert beyond an extreme salary dump (pairing Benintendi/Yoan/Eloy with one or both). Outman is 27 next season. He will not help with the next competitive window except perhaps a final expensive arb year or two. The Sox don't need guys peaking in 2024-2026, they need a core peaking in the late 2020s and a new owner and FO. Thank you Rick Hahn for your decade plus of service and leaving us with far less talent than you started with in March 2013. White Sox Baseball Talent = The equivalent of Linda McCarthy playing keyboard. Edited November 20, 2023 by South Side Hit Men 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 9 hours ago, SoxFest23 said: Exactly. Everyone here would be thrilled if one of the players traded for Cease comes here and finishes 3rd in Rookie of the Year... But they don't want the guy who actually did it. Him, Frasso, and a few lesser prospects would be a solid (non-sexy) return. I would just find it confusing. Loved him as an option when he seemed blocked and we needed outfield depth and he seemed like he was overlooked. But trading for a guy who will be 27 in May, when we are so far from competing? Seems a bit confusing for to me. Do people here realize he was an older rookie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 I'll be honest the guys at the top of their farm ranking are not all that great. They are old. Like really old to be on top 100 lists. You also have to wonder how some of those numbers they are putting up in AAA translate to the majors like Busch came up and really struggled. The minor leagues are full of AAAA older players who can dominate at lower levels. Josue De Paula, Jesus Tillero, Samuel Munoz, and Joendry Vargas to me are the most desirable pieces from their farm system the dodgers are great finding Latin American talent. They basically have their pick of high toolsy young players every year and to me I'd prioritize upside in any trade with them especially considering their frontline prospects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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