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Chick Mercedes Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, Springfield Soxfan said: Agreed. This strategy is coming from TLR and JR negotiating school. Work for the best deal and when you get it strike. Only if the Sox are surmising that recent negatives on Cease are real issues that can snowball out of control the more time passes. If not, you wait it out until you get what you want, or saddle Cease up until the trade deadline, and let him recoup his value “ his ERA more than double from 2.20 to 4.58. Cease’s velocity dipped by a mile per hour, his strikeout rate fell three percentage points, and he yielded far more hard contact than he did during that elite 2022 campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) Off topic/somewhat on topic, I just realized Glasnow's most IP in a season is last year at 120. And he's making $25M next year. Woof. Edited November 30, 2023 by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince34 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) I'm a huge Norby fan! Love his approach and the way he makes strong contact to all parts of the field. I've read reports that the defense has improved especially his arm in the last year. Norby brings a lot versatility defensively in the IF/OF. If he can be your 3rd piece in the deal. Sign me up. I would do Krjstead, Ortiz, and Norby in a second. All 3 of those players are blocked at the Major League Level. I would keep on pushing for Mayo, but not sure Baltimore will give in. I would be happy with a future infield of Montgomery SS/3B, Ramos 3B/1B, Ortiz SS/2B, and Norby 2B/OF. Hopefully the new hitting coaches can work with Vaughn and get back to generating more launch angle to his swing to get his value up again and trade during the season. Hate having a 5-11 first baseman. With the 2024 Draft having such down year of talent with the up the middle players. This might be the year to focus on pitching early in the draft. Edited November 30, 2023 by PolishPrince34 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 If we are concerned about fit, I wonder what the pursuit of Norby would be saying about the "high floor" second base/SS prospect we just drafted. If it's just about gathering available asets, cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, Chick Mercedes said: If we are concerned about fit, I wonder what the pursuit of Norby would be saying about the "high floor" second base/SS prospect we just drafted. If it's just about gathering available asets, cool. BPA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince34 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Chick Mercedes said: If we are concerned about fit, I wonder what the pursuit of Norby would be saying about the "high floor" second base/SS prospect we just drafted. If it's just about gathering available asets, cool. I hope your not talking about Jacob Gonzalez. I'm still pissed off with that pick! I'm hoping Shirley had no say and that was Kenny Williams last horrible mistake he made with the organization. You can never have too many players that play up the middle. I'm fine with with getting multiple players that can bring athleticism/versatility in the Cease deal. Edited November 30, 2023 by PolishPrince34 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Fans of the 71 win Cardinals debating whether they can possibly part with Edman, Donovan, O'neill or Carlson for a Cease trade. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 1 hour ago, SoCalChiSox said: That's kind of the flipside. LAD could say "you know we don't have to have Cease, we could easily sign X pitcher for just money and if we don't do a deal now we will turn our attention to that guy instead" So maybe some of this is pressure by parties who have a good offer on the table trying to convince us they will pull the deal and look elsewhere soon. BAL could not do that and CIN also could not do that because they don't spend, but the LAD could make such a credible threat. Plus Votto coming off the books... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Fwiw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said: Budgets exist. Also trying to get guys when they’re younger and in prime. You know my belief about budgets. Not spending money on free agency is a choice, not a necessity. If they want me to believe otherwise, open the damn books and prove it. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 1 minute ago, baseball_gal_aly said: You know my belief about budgets. Not spending money on free agency is a choice, not a necessity. If they want me to believe otherwise, open the damn books and prove it. That's fine. Teams don't always want to spend on aging and/or (soon to be) declining players if they can trade unproven talent for proven, in their prime, controllable talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 11 minutes ago, PolishPrince34 said: I hope your not talking about Jacob Gonzalez. I'm still pissed off with that pick! I'm hoping Shirley had no say and that was Kenny Williams last horrible mistake he made with the organization. You can never have too many players that play up the middle. I'm fine with with getting multiple players that can bring athleticism/versatility in the Cease deal. Shirley seems to have been driving the high round picks the last few years. The only way I can reserve judgement on a very Kenny type pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 11 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said: You know my belief about budgets. Not spending money on free agency is a choice, not a necessity. If they want me to believe otherwise, open the damn books and prove it. Very well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 31 minutes ago, Chick Mercedes said: If we are concerned about fit, I wonder what the pursuit of Norby would be saying about the "high floor" second base/SS prospect we just drafted. If it's just about gathering available asets, cool. Well, I mostly would say it doesn't matter at all and more talent is more talent. But I do still want to stress that Gonzalez extremely sucks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, bmags said: Well, I mostly would say it doesn't matter at all and more talent is more talent. But I do still want to stress that Gonzalez extremely sucks. And I thought I was the low man on Gonzalez. Hope he and his weird swing prove us all wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Favorite Sox topic: Flip him at the deadline for a couple prospects. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 All the sports blab radio down here in South Carolina (Braves country) is assuming that the Braves have Cease essentially done and the Sox are waiting for someone to outbid them. Judging by past offseasons, I think they are just assuming it based on Morosi's tweet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 I'd like to see an Arizona trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm said: All the sports blab radio down here in South Carolina (Braves country) is assuming that the Braves have Cease essentially done and the Sox are waiting for someone to outbid them. Judging by past offseasons, I think they are just assuming it based on Morosi's tweet. They could not get it done without using MLB guys. They're a bad match for a Cease trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Just now, GreenSox said: I'd like to see an Arizona trade. Me too, if you can get Lawler. Otherwise they can't get it to work I think. Unless you LOVE Jones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 38 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said: You know my belief about budgets. Not spending money on free agency is a choice, not a necessity. If they want me to believe otherwise, open the damn books and prove it. I've been saying the same for a long time. Payroll is irrelevant to me, beyond any salary caps or luxury tax thresholds. In 2024 the threshold is $237 MILLION. Plenty of room to sign Ohtani. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fielder Jones Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) They read Robert Murray's answers to questions in the below and he mentions Baltimore for Cease. Also says the 48 hour thing was overblown Edited November 30, 2023 by Fielder Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Fielder Jones said: They read Robert Murray's answers to questions in the below and he mentions Baltimore for Cease. Also says the 48 hour thing was overblown Yeah I really don't read into Tweets too much. Some people overanalyze and overreact to every single one like there is a deep meaning when its likely piggybacking off another report and/or clickbait. Edited November 30, 2023 by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 To keep us from spinning in circles, who are some teams we'd like to see jump in if things go poorly for them at the Winter Meetings? Padres, Red Sox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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