Credit to Vargas and Sox coaching staff. It's not every day a random back end top 75 type guy turns into a 5 WAR star.

35 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said:

i saw TRADE and fedde and vargas casually scrolling and almost fell out of my chair...

Yea I saw TRADE and thought we made an acquisition for a SP or something… then I quickly saw Vargas and knew it was rehashing time.

1 hour ago, EloyJenkins said:

i saw TRADE and fedde and vargas casually scrolling and almost fell out of my chair...

We REALLY want Tommy Pham back

27 minutes ago, Quin said:

We REALLY want Tommy Pham back

Schriff in the back like “no I don’t”

4 hours ago, Colome's Hat said:

Will go down as one of the great trades in White Sox history. And we got Fedde back and he has been a contributor this year. IMO, Vargas has been the first half AL MVP.

Maybe. That third baseman from Tampa Bay might be the new Mike Schmidt. Vargas has been really great as well.

6 hours ago, SoxBlanco said:

What a great thread. Props to anyone who wants to chime in and call themselves out here.

Count me in. MV got better last year, but I didn't think he had this much talent going forward. He's

also a great team mate. The fans love him too. He is giving 110% everyday.

4 hours ago, WestEddy said:

I was suspended at the 2024 deadline, so I wasn't able to comment.

That's funny

19 minutes ago, zisk said:

Count me in. MV got better last year, but I didn't think he had this much talent going forward. He's

also a great team mate. The fans love him too. He is giving 110% everyday.

He's the opposite of Moncada

26 minutes ago, zisk said:

Maybe. That third baseman from Tampa Bay might be the new Mike Schmidt. Vargas has been really great as well.

Vargas is 10th in the AL in position players' WAR. He's got some work to do if he wants in on the MVP convo, end of year.

9 hours ago, DoUEvenShift said:

Even if they didn't like the trade there were still a few early believers in Vargas. Shoutout to:

@Jake

@bmags

@Chisoxfn

@PaleAleSox

@ChiSoxFanMike

@Y2Jimmy0

@greg775

You guys get to claim OG status of "Miguel Vargas Fan Club" Sorry if I missed anyone, skimming through quickly between work calls.

Thanks for looking that up. Before when I was able to post (I can only post when I am in an establishment using their internet; mine won't take me to soxtalk successfully) I was considered somebody who knows very little about baseball. I wrote: "Vargas might be what Moncada wanted to be. He's young and looks good in a uniform. Getz called him one of the brightest young bats in the game. This trade might be OK cause those guys the Sox gave up were nothing to lose sleep over. Sox are due to have a prospect excel. Maybe Vargas will be the answer in the corner outfield."

You gotta admit I was spot on. Vargas is hitterish and is doing well. How bout that bomb in the all star game?

Edited 17 hours ago17 hr by greg775

Vargas was like 155-165 pounds when they acquired him.

He hardly looked good in a uniform at that point…he looked more like a malnourished refugee.

8 hours ago, zisk said:

Count me in. MV got better last year, but I didn't think he had this much talent going forward. He's

also a great team mate. The fans love him too. He is giving 110% everyday.

And Getz could win Executive of the Year, something his previous two bosses didn't receive.

41 minutes ago, Texsox said:

And Getz could win Executive of the Year, something his previous two bosses didn't receive.

Believe Hahn did

1 hour ago, chitown87 said:

Believe Hahn did

2019

Fun to read the posts from a couple of years ago that didn't age very well. As they say, hindsight is 20/20.

I hope in a few years, we can similarly bump the Gonzalez trade and Draft threads and have a good laugh at the posts crapping on what the Sox did with this year's draft.

On 7/16/2026 at 9:57 AM, Colome's Hat said:

Will go down as one of the great trades in White Sox history. And we got Fedde back and he has been a contributor this year. IMO, Vargas has been the first half AL MVP.

I mean, he's been no where near as good as Yordan or Witt.

On 7/16/2026 at 11:16 AM, chitownsportsfan said:

Credit to Vargas and Sox coaching staff. It's not every day a random back end top 75 type guy turns into a 5 WAR star.

I think its like 80% credit to Vargas and 20% to the staff giving him a long leash.

His biggest change was putting on muscle and swinging harder. Not saying they've made no swing adjustments, but generally I think this is mostly vargas. Team deserves some credit for identifying a player with that will to improve though

3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I think its like 80% credit to Vargas and 20% to the staff giving him a long leash.

His biggest change was putting on muscle and swinging harder. Not saying they've made no swing adjustments, but generally I think this is mostly vargas. Team deserves some credit for identifying a player with that will to improve though

The body transformation is mostly responsible, agree. He worked hard and it paid off. It was interesting seeing the Sox talking about their projected weigh gain for Roch and how it would affect his performance. Not everybody can put on muscle and remain great at a skill based sport, so trying to at least model it a bit is important.

21 hours ago, Falstaff said:

That's funny

He liked Getz too much. Luckily I avoided a suspension for that crime. Although I was more along the lines of give the guy a chance at first because I wasn't sure he was part of the problem just because he worked there. Guilt by association didn't fly with me nor did any perceived job performance since we had no idea as fans how many real contributions to the suckage he made.

As he went on I thought he was hiring the right personnel and saw a real effort to improve the foundation and wasn't too concerned about how 2024 went. Rock bottom sometimes has to happen . I don't think he contributed all that much to that wreckage . That was more a product of the previous regime and he had nothing to work with that year and used what little budget he had on the underbelly of the foundation.

I haven't reread if I said very much in this thread, probably that the return seemed light like St. Louis should've contributed something to the Sox.

10 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

He liked Getz too much. Luckily I avoided a suspension for that crime. Although I was more along the lines of give the guy a chance at first because I wasn't sure he was part of the problem just because he worked there. Guilt by association didn't fly with me nor did any perceived job performance since we had no idea as fans how many real contributions to the suckage he made.

As he went on I thought he was hiring the right personnel and saw a real effort to improve the foundation and wasn't too concerned about how 2024 went. Rock bottom sometimes has to happen . I don't think he contributed all that much to that wreckage . That was more a product of the previous regime and he had nothing to work with that year and used what little budget he had on the underbelly of the foundation.

I haven't reread if I said very much in this thread, probably that the return seemed light like St. Louis should've contributed something to the Sox.

You liked a post in this thread that called the GM (Getz) an idiot and over matched.

If you want to try and rewrite history though, go for it!

15 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

The body transformation is mostly responsible, agree. He worked hard and it paid off. It was interesting seeing the Sox talking about their projected weigh gain for Roch and how it would affect his performance. Not everybody can put on muscle and remain great at a skill based sport, so trying to at least model it a bit is important.

I mentioned in another thread that I'm pretty skeptical of a model of that ilk, just because of the diversity of body types in sports. When I was younger and going through trainings, the sentiment at that time was that bulking up would hurt flexibility and limit range so heavy lifting and weight gains would hamper you defensively. Obviously I think some of that was wrong with modern training, but I'm still generally skeptical of a guy gaining athleticism by putting on weight. Maintaining seems possible though. I was surprised to read that they thought if he lost weight, he'd lose athleticism too. I think, in general, those statements are too blanketed and there's probably more to it but if you put on lean muscle mass and shed bulk and some fat, typically your flexibility and the likes increases which improves your athleticism. Obviously all that nuance couldn't be detailed out in 1 paragraph of an article though!

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11 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I think its like 80% credit to Vargas and 20% to the staff giving him a long leash.

His biggest change was putting on muscle and swinging harder. Not saying they've made no swing adjustments, but generally I think this is mostly vargas. Team deserves some credit for identifying a player with that will to improve though

Identifying a will to improve ? Vargas just got quoted as saying he was close to quitting. I think the Sox built him up, showed they believed in him and he responded to that. Everything about the new regime is positive attitude and co-operative working with each other and the players using every new way they have, be it bio-metrics or caring coercion . That is something they do every day with every player. It doesn't stop.

I don't see too many Sox players using the torpedo bat. That was a specific suggestion to Colson Montgomery based on something in his point of contact on a normal bat that they could get better results because there was more barrel in that spot on a torpedo bat or something close to that explanation.

I don't even see how you can put percentages on it. 1 change can turn a player from a career minor leaguer to a 10 year veteran. No telling how many busts could've been helped with the right kind of development from a whole organization all using the same methods from top to bottom. Just giving a guy the runway sometimes is extremely helpful. I don't know what got Mead going this year. Maybe it would've happened with the Sox but the infield was where they needed the least help so they dealt him when they could after doing what they could. Maybe it was just time adjusting to the level of pitching.

21 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

He liked Getz too much.

Can't blame West Eddy for that, Getz has been on a roll in 2026.

15 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

You liked a post in this thread that called the GM (Getz) an idiot and over matched.

If you want to try and rewrite history though, go for it!

I wrote many many things about the trade somewhere. You're always raving about sample size and you take one like , not even a post, over my many many posts about Getz and that trade to sum up my views. You're a real piece of work. I hand out "likes" like candy.