Thad Bosley Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 On 6/26/2025 at 5:43 PM, southsider2k5 said: Dude hasn't made a serious post this decade. Keeping pace with you, dear. Point us into the direction of YOUR most relevant and meaningful…post this (past) decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 9 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: Actually the “rain delay keep the park open so people drink more until we call the game” trick sucks ass and I would love a retractable roof to prevent that. Would also love if there was a chance for this team to ever go to the Playoffs/World Series again that a October rainstorm doesn’t make a game miserable for the fans. all for a retractable roof on a new ball yard It also helps guarantee dates like opening day will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 You have to go down to the so-called "78" site to gain some of your own perspective and be able to call some of the heavy marketing of this site into question. https://maps.app.goo.gl/RYj6NALe9WjFz2MC9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 1 hour ago, tray said: You have to go down to the so-called "78" site to gain some of your own perspective and be able to call some of the heavy marketing of this site into question. https://maps.app.goo.gl/RYj6NALe9WjFz2MC9 I could've sworn you mentioned that you were done posting about this topic months ago. What does this add to the topic outside that you hate the idea of "the 78" for the 1,000,000th time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 (edited) 1 hour ago, tray said: You have to go down to the so-called "78" site to gain some of your own perspective and be able to call some of the heavy marketing of this site into question. https://maps.app.goo.gl/RYj6NALe9WjFz2MC9 I have no doubt the area could be leveled and start to be made pretty in a matter of months, but that image you showed of an elevated Roosevelt Road looked like it may be somewhat problematic. Edited June 30 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoUEvenShift Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 17 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said: I could've sworn you mentioned that you were done posting about this topic months ago. What does this add to the topic outside that you hate the idea of "the 78" for the 1,000,000th time? I'm gonna buy Tray a beer at his first game at the 78. Or pay for his nearest parking, whichever he prefers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 On 6/25/2025 at 4:07 PM, ron883 said: Great, more of this "global warming" Chinese hoax bullshit. Sullivan is trying to push the hoax even more. I just watched a Joe Rogan Experience podcast and Joe actually said we are in a global cooling pattern when you look at the big picture. We don't need a retractable roof. It's going to get cooler here based on what Joe said. that boy ain't right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 40 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I have no doubt the area could be leveled and start to be made pretty in a matter of months, but that image you showed of an elevated Roosevelt Road looked like it may be somewhat problematic. it's not helping matters. the site is not optimal, which is why it's owner/developer has been pushing stadiums on it. it was supposed to be an honest to god neighborhood filled with million dollar homes when related midwest got their hands on it. there's a reason it sat for over 50 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 On 6/25/2025 at 5:10 PM, WBWSF said: A retractible roof would add millions of dollars to the cost of the stadium. and? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 On 6/24/2025 at 8:55 AM, soxfan18 said: NASL's big problem was they over extended themselves. They got too big too quickly and didn't have a salary cap or anything to keep player costs from getting inflated beyond levels the teams could afford. MLS has gone the opposite route, moving very slowly to open up spending rules, which at this point is a detriment to its growth in popularity, since it's clearly seen as well below the other soccer that's readily available (Premier League, UCL, La Liga, etc.) Soccer as a whole is probably #4 as it stands, when you consider viewership of everything nationwide, including the Mexican league which is huge in that community. But MLS remains light-years behind the NHL and won't get close until they open up spending and really compete with Europe, to draw the Eurocentric viewers who look down at it. MLS is minor league soccer. And a retirement league for aging stars looking for a big payday. You think Mesi is here to grow the sport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 (edited) Harold: The topic keeps being regurgitated here, and often by those who, through no fault of their own, do not seem to be familiar with the area, including some views that are never published by the promoters. Thus the Google map view I posted. Look at the elevations of Roosevelt and Clark street with respect to this thing and the seldom shown railroad boneyard to the East. This thing looks like it is in a hole from surrounding streets, and it is. As long as Auchi pays his development co. to promote the hell out of this nonsense, there has to be some push back. Edited June 30 by tray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan18 Posted June 30 Author Share Posted June 30 37 minutes ago, ewokpelts said: MLS is minor league soccer. And a retirement league for aging stars looking for a big payday. You think Mesi is here to grow the sport? What from my post would make you believe I think that? Yes, MLS is a minor league, because the owners continue to make it one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 2 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I have no doubt the area could be leveled and start to be made pretty in a matter of months, but that image you showed of an elevated Roosevelt Road looked like it may be somewhat problematic. If they want to build there, they can build there. We engineer things a million times tougher then this. We built a nearly 2000 foot building in what was the Hudson River a few hundred years ago. They can build a ballpark on an old railyard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 (edited) 36 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: If they want to build there, they can build there. We engineer things a million times tougher then this. We built a nearly 2000 foot building in what was the Hudson River a few hundred years ago. They can build a ballpark on an old railyard. ....and the Fire say they're going to do exactly that. Joe Mansueto isn't announcing that he's spending $650M to build a stadium on that site without being aware of the Roosevelt Rd. and Metra track alignments. Part of the Fire's plans are to build an extension of LaSalle St to connect Roosevelt to the site. It looks to me like the biggest issue with the site (as shown by that Google Maps link) is the Metra tracks which essentially blocks it off from any access via Clark St. But railroad track can be lowered to below grade to open up access. Would that be expensive? Yes. But probably not prohibitively so and that kind of work isn't exactly cutting-edge engineering marvel stuff. Edited June 30 by 77 Hitmen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 4 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said: ....and the Fire say they're going to do exactly that. Joe Mansueto isn't announcing that he's spending $650M to build a stadium on that site without being aware of the Roosevelt Rd. and Metra track alignments. Part of the Fire's plans are to build an extension of LaSalle St to connect Roosevelt to the site. It looks to me like the biggest issue with the site (as shown by that Google Maps link) is the Metra tracks which essentially blocks it off from any access via Clark St. But railroad track can be lowered to below grade to open up access. Would that be expensive? Yes. But probably not prohibitively so and that kind of work isn't exactly cutting-edge engineering marvel stuff. Someone should make sure Mansueto reads this thread before moving forward. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 8 hours ago, tray said: Harold: The topic keeps being regurgitated here, and often by those who, through no fault of their own, do not seem to be familiar with the area, including some views that are never published by the promoters. Thus the Google map view I posted. Look at the elevations of Roosevelt and Clark street with respect to this thing and the seldom shown railroad boneyard to the East. This thing looks like it is in a hole from surrounding streets, and it is. As long as Auchi pays his development co. to promote the hell out of this nonsense, there has to be some push back. The train I take multiple times a week runs on those same tracks in the image you posted, so I'm very familiar with the lot. I dont know that the topic is being "regurgitated" when another team in town announced their plans to build on the site the Sox have been linked to and are still linked to per their own management multiple times since the Fire's announcement. If they do eventually announce intentions to build there, that's the job of civil engineers and the railroad to figure out how/where to move the tracks, which they'd have years to accomplish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 7 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said: ....and the Fire say they're going to do exactly that. Joe Mansueto isn't announcing that he's spending $650M to build a stadium on that site without being aware of the Roosevelt Rd. and Metra track alignments. Part of the Fire's plans are to build an extension of LaSalle St to connect Roosevelt to the site. It looks to me like the biggest issue with the site (as shown by that Google Maps link) is the Metra tracks which essentially blocks it off from any access via Clark St. But railroad track can be lowered to below grade to open up access. Would that be expensive? Yes. But probably not prohibitively so and that kind of work isn't exactly cutting-edge engineering marvel stuff. the hope is that chicago and the state open up infrastructure funds to solve those problems. as well as build a cta/metra station at 15th and clark. that cost may be greater than what mansueto is paying for his minor league soccer park. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 9 hours ago, tray said: Harold: The topic keeps being regurgitated here, and often by those who, through no fault of their own, do not seem to be familiar with the area, including some views that are never published by the promoters. Thus the Google map view I posted. Look at the elevations of Roosevelt and Clark street with respect to this thing and the seldom shown railroad boneyard to the East. This thing looks like it is in a hole from surrounding streets, and it is. As long as Auchi pays his development co. to promote the hell out of this nonsense, there has to be some push back. You really need to stop trying to get people to cease participation in this thread. Just ignore it, move on with your life and pretend it doesn’t exist. Your opinion has long ago been logged and it nobody is trying to change it like you are trying to change theirs. This thread is your cul de sac and you just need to keep it moving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 I would feel better about this stadium situation if the White Sox made some announcement one way or another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 9 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said: ....and the Fire say they're going to do exactly that. Joe Mansueto isn't announcing that he's spending $650M to build a stadium on that site without being aware of the Roosevelt Rd. and Metra track alignments. Part of the Fire's plans are to build an extension of LaSalle St to connect Roosevelt to the site. It looks to me like the biggest issue with the site (as shown by that Google Maps link) is the Metra tracks which essentially blocks it off from any access via Clark St. But railroad track can be lowered to below grade to open up access. Would that be expensive? Yes. But probably not prohibitively so and that kind of work isn't exactly cutting-edge engineering marvel stuff. And this IS the kind of stuff the government agencies will help with intrastructure and TIF money to move a project like this of off the books. This site is worth MUCH to them with stuff on it, vs an empty lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 3 hours ago, ewokpelts said: the hope is that chicago and the state open up infrastructure funds to solve those problems. as well as build a cta/metra station at 15th and clark. that cost may be greater than what mansueto is paying for his minor league soccer park. I'd imagine it's a lot easier for the city and state to justify that infrastructure funding if there's also a (privately financed) MLB stadium going into the site. Having a Red Line station right at 15th and Clark would be huge for the site. That line already runs underground at that intersection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Target and the shops at Roosevelt seem to have zero issues existing on the north side of the Roosevelt viaduct, along with everything else that has been build the past 20+ years south of Polk. Far greater marvels of engineering have been accomplished throughout human history than building a stadium or two on former rail yards built atop reclaimed riverbed. But alas, we must endure one troll's unceasing quest to convince every reader on this forum that the site in question is uninhabitable, and any attempt to build will be swallowed up by ground that hasn't been riverbed in 100+ years... 🤦♀️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 3 hours ago, WBWSF said: I would feel better about this stadium situation if the White Sox made some announcement one way or another. They have nothing to announce because there is no news. Unless Ishbia is willing to throw in a ton of money, since JR obviously won't, they'll continue to play at the Rate. The city and state isn't going to pay for a new stadium for them regardless of the location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 45 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: Target and the shops at Roosevelt seem to have zero issues existing on the north side of the Roosevelt viaduct, along with everything else that has been build the past 20+ years south of Polk. Far greater marvels of engineering have been accomplished throughout human history than building a stadium or two on former rail yards built atop reclaimed riverbed. But alas, we must endure one troll's unceasing quest to convince every reader on this forum that the site in question is uninhabitable, and any attempt to build will be swallowed up by ground that hasn't been riverbed in 100+ years... 🤦♀️ Its not that they cant build there. They question us, would is the cost. The MLS stadium is half the size. Maybe the engineering costs are to great for an MLB stadium to be economically feasible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 10 minutes ago, ptatc said: Its not that they cant build there. They question us, would is the cost. The MLS stadium is half the size. Maybe the engineering costs are to great for an MLB stadium to be economically feasible. Hence why they aren't looking for small projects there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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