bmags Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 yuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 QUOTE (daggins @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 04:44 PM) shark and reddick for montas, anderson, webb and semien  Umm I don't know about that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 reddick has more value than shark so getting him involved would take some talent. Â I think smarj can be had w/o anderson, and I agree that overpaying for the pair would be bad. Â But I think that is what it would take for both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 QUOTE (daggins @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 05:44 PM) shark and reddick for montas, anderson, webb and semien  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 QUOTE (daggins @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 04:48 PM) reddick has more value than shark so getting him involved would take some talent. I think smarj can be had w/o anderson, and I agree that overpaying for the pair would be bad.  But I think that is what it would take for both.  The only way I would even think about trading Anderson at all is if Samardzija and Reddick were both included. I might throw in Montas on top of that too, but that's enough talent that's close to the majors for the A's to really only need about 1 more player on top.  I also don't think Reddick has anywhere near the value Samardzija has. Reddick is a good player but he's not that good, and he's 2 years away from free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 The two years are what makes him more valuable. Â Its like, a ~3 win outfielder with lefty power and defense in a market with very few good hitters for two years vs a ~3 win pitcher in a much deeper pitching market for one year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 QUOTE (daggins @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 04:44 PM) shark and reddick for montas, anderson, webb and semien  If I'm Hahn I counter with Samardzjia and Reddick for Bassitt, Micah, Sanburn and Hawkins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 QUOTE (daggins @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 05:54 PM) The two years are what makes him more valuable. Â Its like, a ~3 win outfielder with lefty power and defense in a market with very few good hitters for two years vs a ~3 win pitcher in a much deeper pitching market for one year. And yet people are talking about a 3 win SS with 2 years being traded for a 3 win pitcher for 1 year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 05:39 PM) Technically, outside of this past year, wasn't Gordon Beckham pretty close to a league average 2B (when factoring in his defense)? Slightly below average, but close? Â By fWAR, the answer is no. League average is right around 2 WAR. Gordon's rookie year was the only time he even eclipsed 1 WAR: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...amp;position=2B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Reddick is also cheaper that Alexei, although the SS market is MUCH shallower than the OF pool. Â Alexei could bring back a good RH pitcher but it doesn't seem like teams are desperate enough yet. Â After Lowrie and Cabrera sign it should pick up. Â But yeah I wouldn't do AR for JS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 QUOTE (daggins @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 04:44 PM) shark and reddick for montas, anderson, webb and semien  That'd suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 02:56 PM) By fWAR, the answer is no. League average is right around 2 WAR. Gordon's rookie year was the only time he even eclipsed 1 WAR: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...amp;position=2B Oh but what a year that was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 02:56 PM) By fWAR, the answer is no. League average is right around 2 WAR. Gordon's rookie year was the only time he even eclipsed 1 WAR: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...amp;position=2B Well than...in that case, consistent with my posts, I always knew he stunk, haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 With so much Beckham talk it makes me think about how we approach this trade market with Anderson. Not that I am saying you should just go out trading all your developing minor league talent but that you should not over value every piece particularly when trading for a proven major league player. It turned out they should have traded Beckham while his stock was high but EVERYONE overvalued him so they didn't bite on any trades. So we should want Hahn to do the same thing with Anderson and hope he proves to be awesome one day? I am torn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 06:26 PM) With so much Beckham talk it makes me think about how we approach this trade market with Anderson. Not that I am saying you should just go out trading all your developing minor league talent but that you should not over value every piece particularly when trading for a proven major league player. It turned out they should have traded Beckham while his stock was high but EVERYONE overvalued him so they didn't bite on any trades. So we should want Hahn to do the same thing with Anderson and hope he proves to be awesome one day? I am torn. I have no problem trading Anderson for exactly that reason. He fits our needs but he's 2 years away and has a decent bust potential on the way as a pretty raw hitter. He might well need a couple years in the big leagues to reach his potential if he ever does. I'm certainly open to moving him in the right deal. Â The problem is that moving him for a guy with 1 year of team control remaining seems to me to be a completely awful deal any way I slice it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Thanks for the late breaking news, Bruce. Â Just posting this because some of the responses are funny. Â https://twitter.com/MLBBruceLevine/status/542120297596338176 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 07:08 PM) Looks like a Shark segment is coming up on MLB Network. Let us know if anything new is said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Never mind a Shark segment, when are we going to get a bucket segment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 How likely are the A's to trade away Reddick after they JUST traded Moss? Â Kinda get the feeling, the Sox will only get Samardzija. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 07:10 PM) Let us know if anything new is said My bad, I saw a "Back to Chicago" title and an A's uniform and immediately assumed it was about Shark. Unfortunately, it was about Jason Hammel going to the Cubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 What is taking so long!?! A whole day at the meetings and we haven't done anything!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Jeff Passan @JeffPassan Sources: If the White Sox do deal for Jeff Samardzija, return would be Marcus Semien and prospects. A's would slot Semien in at shortstop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Sources: If the White Sox do deal for Jeff Samardzija, return would be Marcus Semien and prospects. A's would slot Semien in at shortstop. https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/542134393595117568 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Nice sign me up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 07:52 PM) Jeff Passan @JeffPassan Sources: If the White Sox do deal for Jeff Samardzija, return would be Marcus Semien and prospects. A's would slot Semien in at shortstop.  Wite's fears confirmed…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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