southsider2k5 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/10/matt...free-agent.html Clubs that could enter the market for a starting catcher include the Rangers, Nationals, Braves, White Sox, Mariners, Twins, Rockies, Angels, and Astros. Of those nine teams, the Braves, White Sox, and Rockies have protected first round picks. The White Sox have not historically been involved with a lot of Scott Boras’ free agents, but we can’t rule them out. Expected Contract I can picture Boras coming out of the gates seeking Russell Martin/Brian McCann money for Wieters, meaning five years and $82-85MM. I don’t think he’ll get there, but I’m predicting a four-year, $64MM deal, even with a qualifying offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Hahn seems to have a good relationship with Boras so I'm not worried about that part. But hopefully it doesnt go to 5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I would be all for going after Wieters for the right price at 4/64 I'd pass. My interest would top out around 4/45 and I don't think that will get it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I'd like this move but he's missed a lot of games the past two seasons. I'd still take a chance on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I'd do it, but definitely an all in move, so, risky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 If he costs a draft pick then I'm out. If he doesn't, I'm down for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Oct 29, 2015 -> 02:53 PM) If he costs a draft pick then I'm out. If he doesn't, I'm down for it. I don't think they'll make him a qualifying offer but even if they do it's just a second rounder we'll lose. Getting a comp pick from Samardzija definitely eases that pain a bit. If our first rounder wasn't protected I wouldn't even entertain the thought of Wieters. Edited October 29, 2015 by lasttriptotulsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Wieters is a nice player, but I'm saying no thanks to a big contract for the 30-year-old catcher with an injury history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 QUOTE (shysocks @ Oct 29, 2015 -> 03:05 PM) Wieters is a nice player, but I'm saying no thanks to a big contract for the 30-year-old catcher with an injury history. Although Weiters hasn't exactly been Carlton Fisk, Fisk was a 33 year old catcher with an injury history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 29, 2015 -> 03:08 PM) Although Weiters hasn't exactly been Carlton Fisk, Fisk was a 33 year old catcher with an injury history. Most careers don't have the tail that Fisk's did. For where this team is, I don't think Wieters is a risk worth taking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Isn't Rodon a Boras client? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 29, 2015 -> 03:16 PM) Isn't Rodon a Boras client? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 29, 2015 Author Share Posted October 29, 2015 QUOTE (shysocks @ Oct 29, 2015 -> 03:15 PM) Most careers don't have the tail that Fisk's did. For where this team is, I don't think Wieters is a risk worth taking. In all seriousness, how many 30 year old catchers with injury histories turn into Carlton Fisk, and how many wash out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Hard pass on Wieters at both the years and the price, especially if we have to give up a pick. His career OPS+ is 100, he's 25th in wRC+ among catchers since he debuted, he's not particularly great at pitch framing either. He throws out runners really well, and I don't know how well he calls a game, but I'm not really seeing the appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Oct 29, 2015 -> 02:31 PM) I would be all for going after Wieters for the right price at 4/64 I'd pass. My interest would top out around 4/45 and I don't think that will get it done. Not even close. People, this is 2015, soon to be 2016. $11M AAV doesn't get you that much anymore. Edited October 29, 2015 by ChiSox59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 If the price is not too steep I'm all for Wieters. If the Sox could milk him through the '16 season at catcher without major injury, they would be in the clear with LaRoche gone at seasons end. After '16 Wieters can split time with Abreu at 1B/DH in an effort to keep Wieters healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 After what happened last off season and how it translated to the season that we had I just cant get excited for any big free agent moves. Not this off season at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I want no parts of a big Wieters contract. He's got disaster written all over him. If he's not an everyday catcher he's a very average bat at a high cost and expecting him to be an everyday catcher into the 3rd and 4th years of a contract is unrealistic in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I would rather role the dice on Desmond bouncing back at the price Weiters is gonna command. Trade for Derek Norris instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Wieters is someone with such a long swing, it's hard to imagine him staying effective as he gets older. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 He's hardly played at all the last two years and his worst year of his three-year stretch of "good" productivity was the year before that. That's two bad seasons and one iffy one the last three years. If he's going to make that kind of money then I don't know what to say. 15 mill a year I guess is the new average salary for average position players who have enough time accrued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Don't know what to think about this save for the following. The ghost of Sherm Lollar would still be better than Tyler Flowers as a starting catcher. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Pass you can get similar if not better production for a fraction of the price with AJ and Soto without giving out a contract to an oft injured 30 year old catcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 QUOTE (beautox @ Oct 29, 2015 -> 07:14 PM) Pass you can get similar if not better production for a fraction of the price with AJ and Soto without giving out a contract to an oft injured 30 year old catcher. Well this is a little more of a longer term solution than probably just a 1 year with AJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Save the money and go after Plawecki or Norris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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