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You make about as much sense talking baseball as my 2 month old nephew. Note: my nephew doesn't talk nor know what a baseball is.... Kinda like you,

“The White Sox’ deal with Robert is similar in situation to fellow Cuban Eloy Jiménez, who also signed a slightly cheaper six-year deal with two team options before ever making a major league plate appearance.” Well researched article here, considering Eloy is Dominican 🙄

I've never understood the desire to get rid of McCann or Collins, since, you know, we don't need to.

Trading 6 years of collins when mccann is a FA next year is a tatis tier move. a 2 fWAR starting catcher should yield a RP better than the scraps that were available this offseason. (see Tampa)

I'm surprised (but not really) at this "the sky is falling" mentality whenever a reliever signs elsewhere. Did we not see these same exact complaints during/shortly after the winter meetings with regards to starting pitchers?

I also think we are at a point of the offseason where people tend to overrate what's the presumed "top" of what's available. Once Betances was off the board, the options for what sox needed were all of a pretty similar quality.

Holy hell, learn other statistics and evaluation tools. Especially when scouting teenagers.

If you live in Chicago or you root for one of the two Chicago baseball teams you have seen two wildly different approaches to this winter. While the White Sox have had perhaps the best off-season of any team in the sport, the Cubs have regressed dramatically from their 84-win 2019 team that finished third in the NL Central division. ... "The Cubs are in a trick box. They did a terrible job locking up their young stars to deals that would have extended their window of contention," one executive said. "Yes, they got Rizzo and Starlin Castro but until Kyle Hendricks took a deal they had signed no one else long term from their core guys. Look across your city and see what Rick Hahn has been able to accomplish. He has a great young core and he has been able to sign some of his guys to outstanding deals. "The Cubs are trying to jump start their team again and while I don't blame them for asking for a ton in return for Bryant, I don't believe they are going to get it." Another believes the Cubs are in a terrible position as they launch a new TV network. Marquee Sports was supposed to infuse the franchise with a significant revenue stream to allow them to compete with all of the other financial behemoths in the industry. Next up on the extension list: Moncada/Giolito, Madrigal, Lopez/Kopech/Cease (surely they'll wait to see how this season plays out first)...same with Mazara and Rodon (the most unlikely). The tide is starting to shift, finally. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/why-cubs-theo-epstein-havent-161420818.html Also talks about how they're boxed in by Bryant's grievance not being settled, asking too much for Wilson Contreras/Bryant and also goes into why they can't trade Javier Baez.

If Mazara was in the Sox lineup last year and hit his career average he would have been our 6th best hitter, and a huge improvement in RF. Now with Encarnacion and a rookie Robert, I'll take a .750 OPS out of the 7/8 hitter.

This trade would make zero sense for either team. We trade a good closer and a reliever coming off a bad year for a closer coming off a bad year? And the Cubs send money? How does this proposed trade improve the Sox or free up any money for the Cubs this year? 😐

Yes sir, let's serve it up one more time, By the way, McCann was on with a base hit so it was a two run jack.

Even if he did nothing else that homer to beat the Cubs is in my all-time best White Sox moments.

Eloy Jimenez? 116 wRC+ and an .828 OPS may not be "lighting the world on fire", but it's quite good for a rookie

I actually think this dude is legit.

Primarily closer Edwin Diaz of the Mets.

I like to think they’re working on a big trade

Abreu did that. So did Quentin

You have been reminded he exists often enough to remember him, That's why people think you are trolling.

We are eying to release an updated top 30 around February.

For better or worse, I don’t see him signing with the Sox at this point. So I’ll be happy as long as he doesn’t go back to the Cubs. Make this offseason even worse for them.

They traded Mazara due to having what, 4 left handed OFs? And yes, trading for Kluber and having been on Donaldson would seem to imply they want to contend.

Yeah. This. If this is the guy that is your weakest link, your lineup is pretty darn good.

Depends on your definition of good. Most might say he has shown to be average or slightly below average in his Major league career based on WAR and OPS+ . If you define good as having ton of talent that allowed you to get significant playing time starting at the age of 21 with a ML team for 4 straight years but with so so results then he is good but with the potential to be much better. The Sox have him for 2 years to see if they can make him better. At the age of 22 he had 20 HR's and 101 RBI's, In each of the 4 years he had 19 or 20 HR's. He has been very consistent but has not as yet tapped into the huge upside. He doesn't walk much and isn't regarded as a good fielder but has a strong arm. Some see him like the LH version of Avisail Garcia without Avi's speed. Lifetime Batting average .261. 79 HR's. 308 RBI , .320 OBP, .435 Slg. , .754 OPS. There are signs he is getting better, made some changes last year, put up good numbers against RH pitching .288 BA, .340 OBP .500 Slg. , .844 OPS. Isn't good against lefties. He probably has 40 HR potential if he can make more changes but you have to want to , then make fast adjustments and that isn't always easy. When Ohtani came to the Angels it took him less then one Spring training to make the changes that resulted in him becoming a better hitter. He listened and learned from his hitting coach and picked Albert Pujols brain about hitting. Mazara has been the same basic player for 4 years so if you think he is being stubborn you could be right. You could believe that he will soon realize that changes are necessary based on the change he made last year and for the betterment of his career and future salaries and that implementing those changes will unlock his upside.

Still so excited for this move that I bought a Robert Jersey last night.

That was like 89 PA's against LHP. There is much to doubt about that vs his career #'s.

Cowboys should love a coach that forgets he has a RB. /sarcasm

Yeah, and it's not like we package them together to acquire, say, Josh Hader. McCann's salary is a reward for 2019, insurance for Grandal, reassurance to keep Giolito comfortable and another tutor to work with Collins on the mental side of the game. So best to just let the season play out, inevitably there are injuries. Even in 2005, as durable as that starting staff was, we needed Brandon McCarthy to give them a breath of life those final 6 weeks.

Hawk & Wimpy in their prime were the best!

Yes, given all the other moves they made, I'm no longer extremely frustrated with that trade because Mazara is now the worst player on this team and in this line-up, and that's fine, given the chance he somehow figures it out. It's not like running JB Shuck out there in RF.

Jason and Steve are the best White Sox pairing in my lifetime, so I'm glad he's sticking around.

I wouldn’t be surprised if you see Collins and a couple mid to low level prospects being shipped off for relief pitching. Since we signed Grandal, Abreu, Encarnacion and McCann there is really no spot to put him or give him enough AB’s. We also have Vaughn coming up sometime in the near future so we really don’t want to block him.

that makes no sense at all. both him and mazara only hit against righties, and jbj is worse at it. what is the point of JBJ at all?

Very strange article indeed. If Luis Robert breaks his neck tmr and is confined to a wheel chair the rest of his life he's SET. His offspring are set. His wife, his cousins, and so forth. From the players' perspective they have to work within the framework of the CBA. It's not like his agent wanted to take LESS of his cut by saving the Sox money. No, his agent did the best he could given the current CBA.

Exactly. Neither scenario is going to happen but signing Betts as a free agent next offseason makes way more sense than trading for him now.

It says that Robert would have been offered a $240 million contract if he were a free agent, so therefore, the Sox don't get credit and are still exploitative. The Sox have committed $76M to Robert before his options have been considered.

Diaz, Givens, Kela were being thrown around this winter.

I think you are wrong about the Cubs. While they have money they do not want to continually go over the tax threshold and lose picks. They are already near that threshold and will not spend money until they unload one of their players.

He's like all-time bad at 3B

I wish people would stop thinking Puig as a platoon partner for Mazara. They both hit righties better.

I agree Pitching and Defense are what we need. The lineup sure looks exciting

Still weak at manager. This is why they win 85 at most.

I do like the Sox starting pitching depth when Rodon, Dunning etc get healthy. It’s going to force guys to focus and step up. Lopez is a guy who may benefit from the pressure-he either steps up in the rotation or goes to the pen. It was like he coasted too much last year, knowing he had a long leash. Adding two vets or solid arms in the pen before spring should be a focus.

IMO we will win the Central. As you point out...3 top quality starters and a solid bullpen are required for playoff baseball. The bullpen came together in 05 beyond most expectations. It can happen.

Because stat itself does not measure the talent or performance of a pitcher.

While true, McCann is arguably a better game caller. Depends on what that pitcher prefers in hindsight.