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Psh that’s nothing, that’s what we spend on 3 relievers

Don’t kid yourself. You’ll be checking for updates in the bathroom.

"I'll see all you all next February." - Josh Harrison

With Sanchez and Frazier off the board, it seems to suggest the Semien pursuits are legit (unlikely IMO) or a Kimbrel-Segura+ trade could happen (more likely). One way or the other, they must have a primary target in mind.

Come on White Sox… let’s see it! Don’t you know I’m desperately in need of some moves to solidify my clearly lacking sense of confidence? My overbearing insecurity is showing through and the only thing which will provide a semblance of balance are baseball transactions related to Chicago’s best team. I’m already horribly afraid that I’ll even make it through a labor negotiation strike without losing my mind completely… Give me some hope, for fucks sake. It is plain as day that me and my feelings are more important than anything else and my entitlement is unmatched. So there!

No I’m sorry my opinions aren’t teenage AIM away messages

Maybe teams are looking at Frazier’s total track record and realizing his first half last year was a total fluke, whereas some GMs look at Kimbrel’s HoF track and saw 50+ innings of elite performance before wearing down from a massive innings increase? And no one is thinking we’ll get a “big” return, but rather something more valuable than $1M buyout.

You'll be able to hate the return soon enough.

Just tell them your a chronic masturbator. That’s way better then continuously checking a White Sox message board.

$17M guaranteed per Rosenthal which makes three years for Graveman look pretty reasonable.

I’d have taken Frazier and his skill set from the 9 hole with good D at second.

If that were the case, then you get it done and get the contract cleared now. You’re not suddenly going to get a top 50 prospect for this guy if you wait longer. The market may improve slightly, but not so much it reshapes your franchise. As CWS said, there won’t be a lot of suitors for this guy at his price level, and right now the White Sox are holding all the risk if those handful of teams start finding deals elsewhere. Holding if you had a tolerable offer and hoping for better would be a high risk, low reward move. The other option…there actually is very little activity on him and the White Sox are leaking that they have tons of interest in the hopes that they can create a market.

I don't know wtf is going on or what to think. We are all just spitballing .

Tough for your SD beat that you didn’t think Frazier would be available

Please no Conforto. The fans who have seen him for his entire career have little good to say about him other than he tries hard and seems like a good guy. Complaints such as: he is prone to long slumps that coincide with Mets losing streaks; he has potential but hasn't reached it; his lack of power; and that he won't be worth the money some sucker team is likely to give him. They say they can't believe they can get a pick for him as well. That doesn't seem like the key posiition player acquisition I'd want the Sox to add. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/michael-conforto-to-reject-qualifying-offer.html [ Check out the comments section]. https://risingapple.com/2021/10/10/ny-mets-michael-conforto-devils-advocate/

I think I agree with CWS. I don’t think the teams rumored in on him are the ones that will let Boras make the market, and Conforto isn’t big enough to anyway. I kinda thought he’d get the Upton 2016 contract but not sure anymore. I think he definitely gets an opt-out. But I don’t see Conforto signing anytime soon because of this. I swear, man, I think the white soxiest thing is definitely signing schwarber and making cute with RF, 2B. But maybe they somehow pull Taylor? I feel like the odds of a Joc RF are rising.

I get the sense it won’t be the White Sox

Woo hoo we have justified Cesar again for the exact same reason!!!!

No I wasn’t smarter than them, I liked that deal, but I had watched approximately 0 cub games in 3 years. I would continue to suggest that “a person who watched zero cub games couldn’t figure this out so no one could” remains a poor standard for a billion dollar business and not an acceptable excuse.

Giants also

Brian Balta, smarter than Rick Hahn, Andrew Friedman, & Erik Neander confirmed. Glad you knew from 20 shitty innings in 2019 that the best reliever in baseball over the previous 52.1 innings was suddenly going to fall apart. I really hope they fire KW and hire you to be President of Baseball Operations because you literally outsmarted two of the best organizations in all of baseball. And given this was such an obvious mistake to you, what actions do you suggest they take from prevent this from happening again?

LOL. So Bellinger or Vaughn. You would rather have Vaughn in RF?

Fo-wul-kowah

Some fans think that is Vaughn's ceiling. Kimbrel plus Vaughn should bring back a player or two of intrerest, especially if NL adopts the DH and the Dodgers don't sign Jansen who is 34.

Oh.. and Spoelstra is a fantastic coach. His in game adjustments down the stretch were right on the money. Bulls did a terrible job adjusting to what Miami was doing. Donovan definitely got outcoached in this one.

Ah! Got it!! ?

Gamblers often double down on bad bets. If the Sox do not sign Semien they can still seek trade for a 2B or LH hitting RFer, Perhaps the Dodgers could be a trade partner for Lux and/or Cody Bellinger

Told you nothing would happen while you were away.

No. Hahn made a mistake in acquiring him. His scouts and the system around him let him down and led him into a decision that imploded. He is deserving of insults for doubling down on that mistake, a move with a large risk and a low reward at best. He is deserving of more scorn if they don't take actions to correct how the mistake happened.

I’m convinced you don’t like winning and simply want to hoard prospects. We need to payroll flexibility to address our 2B, RF, & SP needs, not to get slightly better prospects from the Padres that won’t help us win this year.

Well this 'top pitching free agent' will definitely be a top priced one, and for several years at that. He misses bats, I'll give him that - but wait til he gets a load of Eloy in left and Sheets in right. He'll know then that he has to miss bats.

Congrats

I like Ray

I don’t really know because I am not the white Sox. But I would say there is a different market here for a gap hitting second baseman whose overall body of work is disappointing and relief pitcher, when there are 5 per team. Frazier just happens to complement some of the Sox very specific areas to address. It doesn’t make them imbeciles, it’s not clear he’ll be particularly better than Cesar Hernandez next year overall.

Trying to figure out this annual sniping that a top pitching free agent is just a pop up flavor of the month with the fact that those pitchers continue to be good acquisitions ?‍♂️

Is it because other teams aren’t trying to balance a ground all heavy, RH heavy lineup in the same way the Sox are and different teams have different needs?

I find that game hard to watch because every year one of those two teams wins.

I try. Welcome to Soxtalk.

I've been following this thread all off-season. Thanks to everyone for their work here- its much appreciated.

Here’s the thing with the White Sox - if they work with what is already on their roster, getting 2 months that are elite from Rodon is a big help. Kopech can probably start for half a season, if they bring in another bullpen lefty Crochet can get some starts, and Lopez deserves some shot that he will probably get when there’s another injury. The White Sox would be better paying Rodon $18 million and getting a half season from him than paying a Ray $25 million over several years, with the partial-year pieces they have in their roster.

They gave Rodon some serious periods of rest in the 2nd half and he still wasn't 'right'. That he pitched 2.2 in a playoff game doesn't really do anything for me or for the Sox. It might say he's a gamer that is toughing it out through whatever ailment he is dealing with, and I appreciate that of him. But that's about it really. Bottom line. If the Sox brought him back on a QO, and did nothing else with the rotation, and then he has a season ending injury by May. Everyone and their dog will be toasting Rick Hahn for depending on a chronically injured pitcher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Stove_League_(TV_series) You can watch this with her…just search the title and dramacool. Then she will get it.

There were never going to be more than 5-6 teams to begin with. Dodgers, pretty unlikely with all their options…and Jansen potentially returning. Have Treinen and Knebel already. Phillies and Blue Jays…the Rays hate to allocate that kind of money even for one season on a relief pitcher. Angels if Iglesias doesn’t resign. Padres too financially strapped, Melancon could return on a relatively cheaper deal despite his 2021 headline numbers. Finally, the Brewers are looking to trade Hader for the right return.

Except both JV and NS were workhorses before their injuries. Rodon never has been. Even NS has been over 150 IP four times. Rodon has once in 7 years.

We’re not bringing back Cesar. Leury maybe but as a utility player.

Not sad here, but reasonable cost options that fit are drying up. Cesar, Leury become more likely, unless there is a big bag from Santa.

You absolutely love putting words in everyone's mouths and creating fantasy scenarios in which you hold the moral high ground and were right about what did not happen. what does what he thinks about the dodgers or rays signing Rodon have to do with what this discussion is. He is a fan. It doesn't change anything. Who fucking cares what another message board thinks???

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