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You guys realize that in order to steal one of these bright young minds from another organization it requires you to have an owner who prioritizes winning over everything else and will go out and get that guy to. We do not have that. We have the guy who is ok finishing below .500 and in 3rd/4th place as long as you were close in the end.

The next time they are within 5 of .500 will be Opening Day next season.

Of course. And they are going to have to hire someone with a clue of how to put together a winning MLB roster. These dopes play the lottery every year. It worked once.

is that our second baseman?

Funny thing. If the Sox could have scored 2 runs a game when he pitched, Scholtens probably would be our All Star representevive.

Alberto has more home runs and RBIs than Moncada.

Plenty of teams need bullpen help....Hanser won't be outta work for long.

He was on the Dodgers last year. Had worse numbers than he did with the White Sox. Could only get a minor league deal. His OPS against lefties, considering he's 30 and his career OPS+ is only 80, isn't going to stay at 1.100. He is a dime a dozen guy. The choice was Elvis or him. They are paying Elvis more, and Elvis can still play a decent SS. They made the right choice.

But act like they know more than anyone else!

It’s almost as if the front office doesn’t know what it’s doing or something

Getting off topic, but what has Robert really done to be compared with what Abreu did on the Sox?

The problem is that all of these veterans added to the core...Kimbrel (misleading first half numbers compared to the prior 2-3 seasons with the Red Sox and Cubs), Keuchel, Grandal, Abreu (last contract extension), Lynn, Hendriks, AJ Pollock, relievers like Kelly and Graveman...all of them were already (well) past their peak. (You can even make the same case that 2023 Benintendi might still be "young," but not in baseball terms and his remaining upside or ceiling.) We lost Rodon AT his peak. Traded Madrigal. Are about to lose Giolito in his 20's as well...with Cease and Kopech not far behind. The young players and veterans simply never hit their strides together at the same time. Not even close to everything being synchronized roster-wise.

Clevinger, Middleton, Lopez, Kelly Graveman TA 2 hits and a double for an RBI ( the only extra base hit of the game for the Sox) Romy looked good on defense. Jimenez RBI single and 13 game hitting streak

Some nice D by Romy and Robert to save the shutout.

You're smart enough to know this isn't remotely close to being true. Come on, man.

You draft the guy that's going to be the best player. For the last 50 years, the Sox firstbaseman has usually been their best player.

This is just a pitiful display by the Sox hitters .But yeah keep leaving Burger out of the Lineup.

June 2, 1959 – Down through the seasons when the White Sox played the Orioles strange and bizarre things seemed to take place. For the most part those instances took place in Baltimore but on this night, Comiskey Park played host to one that fans attending never forgot. Future Sox pitcher Hoyt Wilhelm was on the mound for the O’s in the first inning when a swarm of gnats descended on to the pitching mound area. It was so bad he couldn’t see the plate and the game was halted as trainers, the grounds crew, even umpires tried to get rid of the bugs. Finally after 16 minutes Sox owner Bill Veeck, ordered the fireworks crew in from the center field bullpen to set up a launch site. One explosion later the gnats were gone and the game resumed. Wilhelm and Baltimore would win it 3-2. June 2, 1967 - The Sox traded infielder Jerry Adair to Boston for two players, one of whom was pitcher Don McMahon. McMahon would be spectacular out of the bullpen going 5-0, grabbing three saves and having an ERA of 1.67 in 51 games in a little over 91 innings for the “Near Miss” White Sox. June 2, 1995 - With the Sox having blown four straight games to the Indians, and off to an 11-20 start, manager Gene Lamont was fired and replaced by abrasive, taciturn third base coach Terry Bevington. Bevington would turn out to be a disaster on the field and in the clubhouse and the long-term effects of the way Lamont was dismissed would cause his mentor and former Sox coach Jim Leyland to turn down overtures by owner Jerry Reinsdorf to take over after Bevington was removed before the start of the 1998 season. He’d be replaced by first time manager Jerry Manuel.

Tanner Banks is not that bad. He could give you what Crochet is giving you and Crochet could pile up much needed innings in the minors.

Hanser one of the more worthless guys they've trotted out in recent memory, even less skills than Leury Legend, good riddance.

Didn't think they'd designate Hanser. Romy needs to keep on playing tho

They continually make the dumbest moves possible.

He's the most valuable player on the roster. Abreu was an MVP level player for big chunks of nearly a decade. Robert is the only player on the current roster capable of being an MVP or getting Top 5 votes if he put a full season together.

Try making White Sox go to Rehab, Hahn says "No, no, no."

The whole thing basically comes down to (with Bally/Sinclair) the fact that MLB wasn't willing to give up the most valuable streaming rights (which were never part of the original deals)....the carriers simply decided it wasn't profitable enough with all the cable cord cutting, so they simply decided upon a preemptive renegotiating tactic (not paying the most disadvantageous rights fees) that's proving to be highly non-successful, at least so far. As time goes by, MLB will start to consolidate and control almost all the rights in one place...giving that growing collection of teams under MLB.tv even more bargaining power in the end (not unlike insurance risk pools in reverse). For the next 2-3 years, some teams might come out behind, but it all will balance out in the end.

He’s a heavenly boy

Yes, I can imagine 2022.

This loser answered almost every question with a first word of "look". Always be extremely skeptical of anyone who consistently begins an answer to a question with that word. They are basically implying that you cannot see things for what they truly are. Despite his previous comments, Hahn truly does think he is some sort of king and the smartest guy in the room at all times. The rest of us are merely simple minded peasants who cannot see things that he can.

Not sure what percentage of Sox fans are willing to give the benefit of the doubt to Hahn when the court of public opinion is already that Crochet and Hendriks were rushed back too quickly to the big leagues simply to cover up for current roster/depth issues.

should hire someone 34-42 from the next generation of more analytically driven drafting scouting evaluation/baseball ops

I thought that was a great move at the time. A couple weeks later while trying to see why he was doing so bad all of a sudden I looked at more than the top line on his stats and realized my mistake. With the Cubs he had been sporting career low BABIP and HR/FB rates, things suggesting his first half was hugely lucky and his second half would probably be no where near that good. Had I bothered to look at anything other than his ERA, I would have suddenly been way more concerned. Then I realized…the millionaire GM missed that also. Never scrolled past the first line of his Fangraphs stats.

The Kimbrel trade made a lot of sense and a lot of people here applauded it when it happened. And a lot of people here didn’t hate the Pollock trade when it happened either. While those moves didn’t work out, the thought and process behind them made sense at the time. Like Lynn, acquiring him for a title run made a lot of sense but that time has passed and they need to cut bait.

Without KW and Paddy, we wouldn't have had either Abreu or Luis Robert in the first place. Imagine the franchise without those two over the last decade...

Since when has he been on the prospect radar? Just good minor league numbers? Good friend's comment on Hendriks: "I'm glad the guy's back...a FEW things are bigger than baseball. But what I don't like is the White Sux organization prostituting this story to cover their long and continued malfeasance."

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2023.shtml Guardians have already had to use 8 starters, with McKenzie still out since Opening Day (#9, and their best starter over Bieber now) and Xzavion Curry #10. That's what it means to have a future rotation. And they still have depth behind that in AA/AAA, including their top prospect being injured. Four rookies used so far just in their rotation. Bieber will be traded when he gets too expensive...and they will replenish their system yet again, just as they did in past years with Corey Kluber, Carrasco, Bauer, Clevinger, etc. https://www.mlb.com/prospects/guardians Still haven't used Gavin Williams and Daniel Espino (injured), so depth goes all the way down to at least 12 pitchers. That's how they can be more competitive than the White Sox with just ONE member of the starting lineup over an 800 OPS (Jose Ramirez, barely) and the rest ALL under a .700 OPS or the newly-named Benintendi Line.

The dumb ass traded for Kimbrel as his best idea. The dumb ass picked up Kimbrel's option, passed on Rodon's QO. The dumb ass received one weak ass Kimbrel offer for an even more overpriced reserve OFer. The dumb ass can absolutely pick up Lynn's option if he somehow strings together a few decent starts against Central s%*# to close the season. Never underestimate the damage Hahn can and will do to this White Sox organization.

Are there really people in here trying to sugar coat Lynn's season so far? Gimme a break.

No chance in hell they’re picking that option up

May should've been a relatively easy schedule. No excuse not going 18-11 minimum. Dropping 3 of 4 vs KC and 3 of 4 vs Detroit really killed it. Not to mention playing to lose on the last game against Minnesota when they could've swept them.

Dylan Cease should not be a guy the White Sox trade this season given his current performance, as no one will give up what it should take to get him - multiple top 100-ish prospects. Let's look at why. Dylan Cease's FIP this year is 4.4, his expected ERA based on stat cast is 4.63, his 4.88 ERA isn't out of line with that. His K-rate/9 of 9.77 is well down from the 11.1 last year and the 12.28 in 2021. His walk rate is his worst since 2020. The average exit velocity he has given up is the worst of his career. His fastball is down a full 1 mph from last year. Furthermore, last year his fastball started poorly but improved a lot by May, this year May was not obviously better than April. Right now, the White Sox would ask for a very high price for Dylan Cease, and anyone asking about him would expect to get him at a massive discount because not only is his ERA bad but the underlying numbers also suggest that he's not a very good pitcher. This could of course change if he were to pick up his velocity and find a groove over the next 2 months, but right now, Dylan Cease will not return anything of substantial value because he's not a particularly strong pitcher. If he doesn't find a groove very soon, then holding onto him through 2024's trade deadline and hoping for better results with a different pitching coach seems like the appropriate strategy. If Cease does find a groove, then the White Sox will win a couple more games and that will be all Hahn needs to justify that "If we keep playing like this we'll be right there at the end" (Rick Hahn, 2015).

Not to defend Hahn, but who signed them to those deals, thus maximizing trade valuation? He's fallen completely flat on his face in the "win now" mode, but he did do some good things before.

With the later deadline it helps sellers, so yea, no reason to trade now. Wait until late July and hope a dozen teams in each league think they are in contention.

Cynical prediction: Hahn pulls off a trade for Ohtani. Pro: we get a half season of Ohtani. Con: what we get from Ohtani doesn't matter, as the team is so far out of it anyways. We give up any remaining valuable assets that we have left, and Ohtani leaves at the end of the season with no compensation in return, thus leaving us even further barren.

He should be VP - Player Personnel

On pace for less than 40 RBI this year

Congratulations! Marco is the primary person in the White Sox organization who should be promoted and retained with new ownership.

Not going to help anything, let the kid develop and get stronger in the minors for at least another couple of months.

One of the most frustrating things as a fan is watching a GM group in over their head compound errors in a last ditch effort to save face. It's like GarPax bringing in the "three amigos".

Jerry doesn’t have a long term mindset, but the next owner should dedicate at minimum each Saturday or Sunday game each week on over the air television (WGN would be my choice). This would give exposure to the team that no other local teams currently provide (NFL/Bears leaving soon). M I don’t know how free TV rights for Spanish Broadcasts would impact their CSN deal, but if they aired 40-60 games on 44/60, you can help grow the Spanish speaking market, and folks can also watch in Spanish or mute and follow on radio. The Sox lost generations of fans in the 1980s with their ill fated move to SportsVision. They can start regaining their market share of fans back over time with smart forward thinking marketing and broadcast decisions.