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How many ways can we quantify that we are a bottom three franchise in baseball history? Toss in financial resources available and we're the worst. Absolute worst. We sucked for decades before modern analytics, we suck after. We flunked the eye test, now we can prove mathematically we are horrible. We flunked before free agency, we fail afterwards. We sucked before the DH, we suck after. Name any era in baseball and we sucked. Deadball? Sucked Steroids? Sucked We have a bottom farm system. We have employees at every level that couldn't find baseball jobs anywhere else. We take great players after their prime to watch them fail while collecting big checks. We take good players and make them bad. We take bad players and make them worst. We suck potential out of every draft pick except the lucky few who are able to leave quickly. Our stadium was a joke when first build with a death defying upper deck. Our owner openly shows distain for his players and fans. Everything about this franchise is an embarrassment to baseball, the city of Chicago, and America. Ok, the last part was hyperbole. No other major city has such a horrible franchise in any sport. I'm trying to figure out why I ever made fun of being a Cub fan. /Rant

Look, you’re gonna get a lot of shitty or Sunday lineups when you just don’t have many good players on your roster. Frazier for sheets is a lateral move and as far as I can tell most people want TA off the team, so it’s really just Yaz missing. Doesn’t seem like a that big of a deal.

Bad teams lose games like this. This was beyond mind-boggling.

But this was a critical situation in the 9th. AndPedro should have been alert, because the buck stops with him. iMO.

The last two games going into the 9th inning, the major difference between these two teams is the Marlins never gave up and believed they were going to come back and win. The Sox players played nervous and feared they would do something wrong to lose the game. These last two games are the classic definition of a winner versus a loser. It's the Marlins playing with extreme confidence and enthusiasm in what appears to be a positive winning culture...versus a Sox team playing without confidence and enthusiasm and mentally accepting the losing culture in this POS dysfunctional organization.

I hope that someone will ask, why not guard the line late in the game, with a lead, to protect against doubles, just like the one that killed them.

Those were wonderful years including an AL pennant in 1959 and growing up with those teams make it so much harder to be a fan of the White Sox since then. I never experienced a losing season until I was 22 years old. Poor ownership has plagued the franchise down through the years, I don’t know how cheap the Old Roman was but the Black Sox scandal hurt the franchise for 30 years. Chuck Comiskey did a great job in the 50s especially with the hiring of Frank Lane, Paul Richards and Al Lopez, the Sox had a great farm system in those years and made some great trades also. Bill Veeck set the Sox back a bit trading away some very good young players in 1960. Arthur Allyn was owner when the Sox put together their 3 best consecutive seasons in history winning 94, 98 and 95 games in the mid 60s. After the 67 near miss with a pennant things went downhill drastically and Arthur sold the club to his brother John who just didn’t have the money to compete even though Dick Allen and company came close to a division title in 1972. Bill Veeck came back again in 1976 but just could not compete especially with free agency. Veeck sold to Reinsdorf and Einhorn in 1981 and when they brought Carlton Fisk aboard and then won the division in 1983 most Sox fans thought that the franchise was on its way to becoming a premier franchise for decades to come, we couldn’t have been more wrong.

Three-legged-stool concept. If any leg is weak, the stool tips over. Listed in the order of JR importance. - Leg 1: Financial Stability of Franchise: Check and double check. All investors around the table could NOT be happier. No fans, no problem...no rent. Strongest leg. - Leg 2: Competitiveness of franchise: Weak leg. Huge fail. But never mind....see Leg 1. - Leg 3: Fan satisfaction. Weakest leg. One of JR's first moves was to take the Sox off the air and went to magic-box-pay-to-watch. No big deal now, but the Sox lost a full generation of new fans, while alienating the entire fan base. So we have Leg 1 holding everything else up. To us fans, it's just a crooked mess. JR barely knows or cares that we exist, and that's been apparent for 40 plus years.

Giolito is probably at his peak trade value right now.

I dont mind it. TA is a mess and needs to be gone

Why are they letting Andrus bat?

That's were he should have been before

i forgot how unlikable this team could truly be for a little bit

It’s almost impressive how they seem to both rush guys back, but also play guys injured.

Same people who want TA gone going to be clamoring for him to being the line-up today

Jason has become horribly annoying and I have found myself turning the volume off lately.

well this team is a s%*# can... we just play in a horrible division. Pedro not playing moncada on the line... this manager may be the worse we have seen in the last 10 years and boy we have had some shitty ones. Also the team is just filled with a bunch of mental midgets from top to bottom anyway. no brains first and foremost.. then sprinkle in a little bit of no balls and thats this team.

Can they trade him at the deadline too?

That's enough White Sox baseball for this weekend, JFC. Just a bad team doing bad things.

God I hate this damn team! I am finished with this garbage! See you guys on Tuesday.

And Ozzie just said that play killed the game. If you are playing on the line, game is over. Don't play the line...double.

Now they will use the excuse that Liam is hurt

Most expensive bullpen in baseball

I'm done with this team

Team has absolutely a defeatist attitude and very little fight ever…..takes right after the Owner.

Because it’s a stat and it’s his job to share things like that. But sure, him talking made the Sox give up the lead.

Throwing insider sinkers with 3B off the line. Great job all

Burger also makes that play

Burger makes that play.

I'm blaming less and less on Grifol and more on players

maybe you should shut up

TA haters feasting

TA doesn’t make that play.

Not behind the plate.

Starting pitching went 18 innings giving up 2 ER in this series to a team that had won 7 in a row.

How dare you assume their genders.

What would that make your uncle then?

How many IBBs for Brnitendi this year? Also what an awful defensive play with the slowest runner in the majors on 2b.

god bless the marlins outfielders

Beats me. I think it was a big blunder. Good for the Sox though, got Arraez out of the Central.

There is nothing he can do to make the lineup better. Every one of these hitters are the same. About average with nothing special on a consistent basis. All subject to look incredibly bad v any pitcher at any time.

You only need two names on list of why the White Sox are one of the worst teams in baseball since 1981, when Jerry Reinsdorf bought the White Sox. 1. Jerry Reinsdorf - owner from 1981-2023 - 43 seasons 2. Rick Hahn - GM - 2013- 2023 - 11 seasons In the 43 seasons Jerry has been owner, here are his accomplishments: - Won the division 6 times and one wild card playoff appearance for a grand total of 7 playoffs in 42 years. Note: The Wild Card in 2020 was only due to the pandemic shortened season and that one year MLB took an extra wild card team, which was of course was the White Sox. - His teams never got past the first round round of the playoffs other than 2005, when they won the World Series. In the 10 seasons Rick Hahn has been the GM here are his accomplishments: - Two playoff appearances with first round losses in both playoffs. - W-L record - W 722- L 848 - Horrible farm system which was ranked 29th in 2022 and 26th in 2023. - Complete shameful debacle of the 2016 rebuild. - Horrible track record of drafting, bombed FA signings and constant botched/fleeced trades, Until these two POS clowns are gone, this team will always be a mediocre and dysfunctional embarrassment to the city, fans and baseball in general.

The Rays are just incredible. I don’t know how you can look at whatever the heck they’re doing and think you shouldn’t change your operation immediately. This could be a world class franchise. Best name and logo out there

Remember he missed three weeks last year with the same issue and because, as he's stated, he's been pitching with a torn UCL sine 2008, his elbow has been battling the increased inflammation off and on since then. Ultimately this hurts his potential trade value at the deadline.

Fair enough. I just can't complain about Sunday lineups when the roster is as bad as it is.

Hope he’s ok, but really feels everyone involved rushed his return

Darn. I think the fans' boos said it all. Disappointing finish there. I'm gonna be so discouraged/mad if Sox let that one ridiculous loss become 2, 3, 4. It happened, Sox. Get mad and don't let this horrific loss send u into a tailspin. Stuff happens. Timmy closed his glove and muffed it. Stuff happens. I won't even comment on the relief. It was one of those disastrous endings. Knowing my Sox they will let that demoralize them. They shouldn't.

Gavin Sheets can ride the pine. Let Colas play.

I'd agree but they are not good at building either.

"But this collapse was a failure in all three phases. Kelly, for his control. Anderson, for his defense. And the offense, for producing just one run on an Andrew Vaughn solo homer." - Rob Schaefer Chicago Sun-Times.