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I get your point, but this is a guy who has always had issues with his command. Came back from injury, worse command, which is understandable, but from what most have been saying, diminished stuff. It's fine to trade for a guy like this, but to give up a guy who was really popular in the clubhouse, and with fans, and could hit 40 homers?

Jake Burger update... It's truly amazing that injured players sometimes improve, but here we are in the Jake Eder Is Trash And I Knew It All Along Thread #86

October 26, 1931 - Sox founder and owner Charles Comiskey died in his home in Eagle River, Wisconsin. He left his entire estate to his son J. Louis Comiskey including the White Sox. His estate was valued at over one and a half million dollars at the time. He died in his sleep. He was 72 years old and had been suffering from heart and kidney ailments that had kept him confined to his home for weeks. He was the last surviving owner from the formation of the American League who was still active in the game. (The Indians former owner Charles Somers was still alive but had been out of baseball for years.) October 26, 1994 - Even though his quest for the Triple Crown was cut short by the labor impasse shutting down baseball six weeks early, Frank Thomas still did enough to garner his second straight M.V.P. award from the Baseball Writers Association of America. Thomas outdistanced future Sox outfielder Ken Griffey Jr. and future teammate, Albert Belle and finished with 24 first place votes out of a possible 28. He ended up with 372 points to Griffey’s 233 and Belle’s 225. Thomas, in 113 games, hit .353 with 38 home runs, 101 RBI’s, 106 runs and 109 walks. With the award, Thomas became the first back-to-back A.L. winner since the Yankees' Roger Maris in 1960 and 1961. October 26, 2005 - On this night the Sox became World Series champions for the first time since 1917. Freddy Garcia and three relief pitchers shut out the Astros on five hits 1-0 sweeping the best of seven series four games to none. The Sox shut out Houston for the final 15 innings in series play. Outfielder Jermaine Dye drove in the game’s only run and was named the M.V.P. of the series. The South Side of Chicago exploded in an orgy of delight as fans celebrated all over the area.

Which is weird because the underlying stats say he was actually a slightly worse ballplayer while on the Marlins, just a little luckier.

Let's see what Angels fans are saying: Bonus input from Royals fans:

the 113 OPS+, which is right in line with his career number. Plus, this guy isn't the typical 27 year old. He missed 3 full seasons. A 3.0 career WAR in about a year's worth of playing screams MLB player to me.

So this guy would have been Giolito's pitching coach when he completed his collapse in Anaheim?

He hustled. Great with fans. Resilient/perseverant. Strong family man. Figured out ways to overcome Sox development issues. Improved considerably on defense over time with practice. Attempted to improve his hitting with the help of his own tech as well as his wife's interventions. Not associated with club's nightlife/attitude issues. Always cheered on his teammates. Actually seemed to have fun playing the game and appreciated the opportunities and responsibilities that came with it. Also wouldn't have been one of those players grumbling about Sox fest or offseason PR events/hospital visits/events with children involved. Unselfish.

Of the fans I know that liked Burger, they liked him more because he hustled all the time....a trait seriously lacking in most players on this team.

A pitcher where a scout says they could be a reliever? Well I never!

This was a terrible trade the second it was made and it is getting worse and worse with each passing day. Jake Burger is a legit major league baseball player. Jake Eder is likely to be selling insurance in two or three years. Sox got played here big time.

71 IP in 2021 0 IP in 2022 56 IP in 2023 And the spin is he's close to being a starter on the MLB club? LMAO. I wish I was capable of just walking away from all of this until they decide to be major league. But I can't.

It's been 25 days since the last White Sox loss. That hasn't happened since April 2023.

With the Padres and Astros jobs opening up, do you think either team will request permission to speak to Pedro about taking over their team.

Jealousy can be sad.

Yeah I had a long layover in LAX last August. Some San Diego exec was talking on his phone pretty loudly in the lounge. He was bitching pretty loudly and openly about Tatis' to-be-announced suspension.

Many years ago, I worked with a guy that had some business with Michael Reinsdorf. At least back then, he was talking about running the Sox a bit differently than his father. It's been years since I've been privy to any info, but I still think he wants a shot, but wouldn't be surprised if he uses his father's blueprint,

But those things are still better than a pitcher who doesn’t appear to be improving enough to even make the major league team, no?

Just staring at his dossier of why grifol is the perfect manager every night, weeping at its glory

So the 2025 rotation has him in the #2 or #3 spot, based on this report? Sorry - I didn't click on the article.

I don't know if others remember this, but there was a time about 10 years ago where it seemed like the White Sox's marketing and PR staff were the hardest working, highest quality folks in the business. Every year we'd get another story about them going over the top to earn fans - some kid would send out 30 letters to teams trying to figure out who to cheer for, and they'd get 29 no responses and one full box of White Sox merchandise or stuff like that. They'd wind up with the fan there, and also a really nice PR article out of it. It feels like they have the exact opposite perspective right now. They no longer act like they have to work hard to earn fans, they expect everyone to be a fan of theirs because they deserve it, not because they work for it any more.

The Desert Dogs W8 came to an end yesterday. The offense struggled, and 9 of the first 10 batters reached against the pen in the 8th (4 against Coffey). 7-2 final. Montgomery was 1-4 with a BB. Burke was 1-5 and also reached on an error. Ramos was 0-2 with 2 BB and also hustled to second on a routine fly ball that the CF dropped for an E8. Game 3: GDD vs. MSS (Gameday | Live Stream) Off day for Burke, Colson and Ramos in their usual spots. Live stream is here: https://www.mlb.com/video/live-fall-league-mss-vs-gdd-89761

So, could the White Sox travel that same path, coming off a 61-101 showing? Josh Barfield, the team’s assistant general manager who worked the past nine seasons with Arizona, believes anything is possible. “We have a bunch of talent already on this roster,” Barfield told me in a recent interview. “If we do things right, if things work out, there is a scenario where we can add and look to continue to build to grow toward the future but also in the short term be in the mix as well.” Nothing about Touki and our rotation ERA leader whose name already escapes me less than a month after the season finished...??? Notice there was also NO mention of the upcoming FA pitching class, hinting that it's going to be mostly youngsters and castoffs taking those spots rather than $15+ million guys. Also seems like they're putting Josh Barfield out there (or he's putting himself out there) more typically than you'd have seen with someone like Haber in past years. It's almost as if he's replacing KW from a symbolic standpoint. His name has been attached to interviews and articles just as frequently as Getz, almost.

I'm sure it's fine. He's the assistant pitching coach.

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts......they'd cost $13.50 at G-Rate.

Here's the context for you.

Well you pretty much have to go back to Q Danks and Floyd for a starting pitcher at this stage in his development actually working out and blossoming for multiple years after being acquired by the Sox. (Rodon's singular season hardly counts and he wasn't an external acquisition.) And Jake's only two years older than Eder....and suddenly freaking out about Jake Burger not even making it to 30 lol? Likelihood is that his past workload necessitates a bullpen trajectory just like Crochet and quite likely Michael Kopech as well. At the rate they're going, it will take 3-5 years to build a competent starting rotation again.

Don't forget that significant share in NBC Sports Chicago that was leveraged by co-ownership of the Bulls as well as controlling GRC parking rights.

After not playing for basically three years you expected linear improvement right away? Screaming that out while ignoring the Sox paid $75 million for Benintendi's 2022 season while surrounded by similar lineups in NY to what AJ Pollock enjoyed with the 2021 Dodgers (also ideal platoon matchups, comparatively)....shows that they completely overlooked AB's 2019/20/21 seasons as well as Pollock's defensive deficiencies. (Wouldn't want Rick Hahn picking my mutual funds, either. Last year's results are not EVER indicative of future performance for Sox FAs.) Or maybe they were overly impressed by KC's winning atmosphere and reputation?

Lol yeah he wasn't a MLB player after putting up 1.5 war in 88 games. This is some next level copium to try and justify being wrong on the trade. It's okay.

did we have a bullpen coach before?

I'd argue that Burger on the Sox was not an MLB player. He became one on the Marlins. The only reason why everyone liked him so much is that he hit for power in a lineup that was starved for it.

I suspect that statement was made just to keep the BS narrative that baseball owners don't make money. The investment in the team grew from $20 million (which included the team, ballpark and lots of land) to $1.5 billion maybe (team only) in the time he has been around. Doubt he is actually telling his family to dump this investment, particularly since his son seems to enjoy this type of investment.

Miami is laughing at this one

It's one of those trades that everyone knew was terrible at the time and somehow it still ends up worse.

He started improving before the trade. Who knows if it would have continued here though.

Russo said he'd retire if the Dbacks won game 7, and "shockingly" did not in fact retire after they won.

If you look at Michael Reinsdorf career history, which includes minor league ownership and stadium construction projects, along with running the Bulls, it is impossible to not consider the possibility he would want to run the Sox.Its almost as if his entire career is an internship to prepare for this.

I don’t care either, just making conversation. I was talking to a friend a few months ago and mentioned about the Mariners being the only team never to appear in a Word Series. He countered with the Rockies. I had to explain to him and even pull up the Wikipedia article to prove it happened. I imagine this one will be similar. By the way, that one was memorable to me because the Cubs were swept by a team, who were then swept by a team, who were then sweet by a team.

My man is passionate about this subject.

You are contradicting yourself. In one instance you are saying he will never sell the team while alive, which is likely accurate. On the other hand you say he wouldn't lower the value because he won't get as much when he sells. He may be 88, but if I didn't know that I would swear he is in his seventies. Unless he has something going on we don't know about its possible he could pull a Virginia McCaskey. And there is definitely a ballpark battle coming up. He is not getting more money from Illinois. If Nashville, or anyone else offers a new park with a ballpark village and all the cash flows that come with it the Sox are gone.And probably worth a billion more instantly. And MLB didn't protect us during possible moves to St Pete, Denver, Seattle or Milwaukee. Why would they now, especially if attendance and tv ratings are low?

I moved to Texas. Go Rangers. ?

The only guy who should truly care about ratings for the MLB playoffs is Phil in accounting, because it's his job to. Literally no one else should care about MLB playoff ratings. Go ahead and care about NBA playoff ratings, they matter for the sport a lot. The playoffs are 2 months, that's 25% of the length of the entire season, and TV revenue from that makes up a big percentage of league revenues. Baseball's playoffs are one month long, so they're 1/6 of the regular season. They are a far lower percentage of total league revenues, they have much less to do with the health of the league overall. They're nice, but they don't determine the health of the league. What we see instead - take a look at the Phillies attendance. In 2018, their attendance was down at 2.15 million. It jumped to 2.7 million in 2019 when they signed Harper, but it was down to 2.27 million in 2022. In 2023, their attendance was 3.05 million, an increase of 800,000 tickets in 1 year. That's for making the World Series, not winning it. Our experience with the 2005 White Sox shows that these attendance boosts from winning last for years, you could be talking about 4 or 5 million extra ticket sales for a team from making one world series altogether, that's what the White Sox saw and they fell apart after winning their title. The Phillies will probably draw 3 million+ again next year, and the following year, and even if they have to rebuild, they'll still draw 2.8 million, then 2.7 million, and it will only decline slowly. On top of just the ticket sales themselves, ratings for the local broadcasts will go up which puts money directly into the pockets of many of these franchises, parking revenues go up, concession sales go up, and ad sales in the park go up. This is where the real money is for baseball, it's in their long regular season. Bringing in smaller markets and putting them in the World Series is VERY GOOD for baseball even if the ratings are low. In 2022, Arizona sold 1.6 million tickets, Texas sold 2 million. In 2023 just by being competitive, Arizona sold 1.96 million, Texas sold 2.5 million. I will give you a strong bet that those will go up again for both franchises next year. This is big money for the local markets. Their ad sales rates will go up, their ticket prices will go up, Texas might sell 3 million tickets next year. Furthermore, there are long term benefits. Arizona will be filled with Corbin Carroll jerseys for years. Kids who are 6 years old are going to become fans of the Arizona Diamondbacks and want to get Carroll's autograph. Dallas will start being filled with Garcia jerseys. These benefits will last for years. Ballparks also hold 2 to 2.5 times the number of fans that NBA games hold. Baseball makes its money on the long regular season. It's why they developed their own streaming platform, which was one of the first sports streaming platforms and which earned them like $3 billion when it was sold. They're even able to do things like the TBS, Fox, and now Apple TV contracts for extra money during the regular season because they have so many games. It is a good thing for baseball to have a Boston New York ALCS every now and then, because it's great TV, it gets those markets involved, and it has some crossover effect. But it is also a great thing for baseball to have a lowly rated World Series because the Diamondbacks and the Rangers are in it, or the Phillies and Astros, or the Marlins and Royals. Having these small market teams make the World Series reduces the ratings at the time, but it massively boosts the revenue of the local franchises and it does so in a way that lasts for years and helps create lifelong fans of those teams.

Go Dbacks.

What JR heard instead: "Spend money on relievers, hire LaRussa"

Spend money, hire Bochy

I found an error in the article, perhaps a simple oversight. But the word “Bochy” only appears once on the entire page.

strangely missing "did not try to fill their RF with Nomar Mazara during their newly opened window"

In my entire life - this was the absolute least I have watched the Sox play.

"Attention White Sox fans: We have a very important announcement. There is no announcement."