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Here's Colson's first RBI hit: https://www.mlb.com/video/colson-montgomery-s-rbi-single And another angle of the walkoff: https://www.mlb.com/video/montgomery-s-walk-off-single Props to Ramos too for starting the 9th inning rally with a leadoff hit and scoring the tying run.

Colson moments before getting the game winning hit. Gave my dad a thumbs up. My dad was too amped to get a photo, but apparently he got a Gatorade bath

Ramos showed some nice plate discipline last week, going 3-11 with a team-leading 5 walks. Pretty uneventful week for the bats otherwise, with no XBH from any of the guys and not a ton of ABs due to the shortened schedule (11 for Montgomery and Ramos, 16 for Burke). On the pitching side, Eder had his longest outing at 4 IP. Cousin had some bad luck in his 2.2IP / 3R start. Ellard was solid in two appearances (2IP, 0R, 1H, 4K) , and Leasure continues to be very good (2.1IP, 0R, 1H, 1BB, 5K). He has 13 K in 26 batters faced. Coffey had one brief and rocky outing. The Week Ahead The AFL HR Derby and Fall Stars game are both this weekend, so I imagine we'll know soon if any Sox are participating. In the meantime, there's 4 games on the schedule only one of which will be streamed (Nov. 2). Game 1: GDD vs. SRR (Gameday | No Stream) Eder gets the start. Montgomery and Ramos both move up a spot in the lineup with Burke getting the day off.

10 pitch full count walk off base hit for Colson wins the game. Eder was solid in his first 2IP (1H, 1BB, 2K), but walks and steals burned him later. He finished with 3.1IP, 4R. Ramos finished 1-4 with a run scored. Colson was 2-4 with a BB and 2 RBI including the game winner.

As apparently I’m the Jake Burger hater because I do check the stats, this also isn’t true. His walk rate with the Marlins was 32% lower than with the White Sox this year and also lower than his 2021 or 2022 stints with the White Sox. His OBP improved with the Marlins not because of walks, but because he had a .225 BABIP with the White Sox and a .354 with the Marlins last year. His OBP improved because more balls dropped by chance. Now, he does hit the ball very hard, so it isn’t surprising that his .225 BABIP would be weirdly low and would go up after leaving the White Sox, but .354 may also be too high for a guy who isn’t a good athlete and won’t get tons of cheap or infield hits also. Further, his HR rate dropped in Florida, that may or may not be worrisome, or it could just be random scatter. The thing he did make progress on with Florida is a lower K rate. But, does that go with the lower walk rate and just suggest that he’s swinging even more aggressively? His swing rates are a little higher in Florida, but he must have been making more contact to get that K rate drop.

What a stupid comparison.

Everyone is gonna be fast tracked until they decide the window is closed. They can’t even fathom the concept of developing for sustained competitiveness, let alone execute it.

Same s%*# different GM

Parental scouting report: "Montgomery looks flawless in the field."

View from my parents $10 seats lol

I'm quite sure hes capable of answering the bullpen phone and telling the appropriate pitcher to warm up

October 30, 1959 - He was acquired before the start of the 1958 season and part of the cost was trading the popular “Minnie” Minoso. Pitcher Early Wynn didn’t start out on the right side of things with a lot of Sox fans. Compounding the issue was a mediocre season. In 1959 however Wynn turned back the clock leading the Major Leagues with 22 wins and he had an ERA of 3.17. That won him the Cy Young Award. He got 13 of the 16 votes. This was a time when only one award was given to the best pitcher in baseball as opposed to now when the award is given to a pitcher from each league. Sam Jones of the Giants got two votes with Bob Shaw of the White Sox getting the final one. Wynn also led the league in starts, innings pitched and batters faced. October 30, 1967 - The White Sox announced that nine regular season games in 1968 would be moved from Comiskey Park to County Stadium in Milwaukee. In nine dates in Milwaukee, the White Sox drew 265,552 fans, averaging 29,506. Meanwhile, attendance was just 538,203 in 72 games at Comiskey Park averaging 7,475. In 1969, the second and last year of the experiment, the White Sox drew 196,784 over 11 dates at County Stadium, averaging 17,889. At Comiskey Park in 70 games, the White Sox averaged just 5,611. A franchise hadn’t played ‘home’ games outside of its home park in the American League since 1905. What was suspected at the time of the experiment, and later shown to be true, was that Sox owner Art Allyn was testing the Milwaukee market speaking frequently with Allen “Bud” Selig who was attempting to get another Major League franchise to relocate to Milwaukee which lost the Braves after the 1965 season. Selig thought he was close to getting the White Sox after getting a handshake to move but Art Allyn decided to sell the club in September 1969 to his brother John thwarting Selig’s efforts and John kept the team in Chicago. October 30, 1986 - Larry Himes was hired as the new Sox G. M. replacing Ken “Hawk” Harrelson. Himes drafted and signed Sox future stars like Frank Thomas, Jack McDowell, Robin Ventura, Ray Durham and Alex Fernandez as he rebuilt and guided the franchise through the possibility of moving to Florida. He would be fired in September 1990 after philosophical differences between him and ownership, in particular Jerry Reinsdorf, made working together impossible. At the press conference announcing Himes’ firing Reinsdorf let his feelings be known loud and clear. "Larry Himes took us from point A to point B. He was very successful in getting us to point B. We need to get to point C. It’s our opinion that Larry Himes is not the best person to get us to point C — a world’s championship." October 30, 1990 – White Sox manager Jeff Torborg was named the Manager of the Year by the Baseball Writers Association of America after guiding the team to a record of 94-68. The Sox shocked the baseball world after being picked to finish no higher than fourth place. Instead, they challenged the eventual A.L. champion Oakland A’s right into September and were the only club in the league to have won the season series from them. Only the A’s and the Pittsburgh Pirates had better records during the season than the White Sox. Torborg got 23 of 28 first place votes for 128 points. The A’s Tony LaRussa, the former Sox skipper, picked up the other four first place votes and finished up with 72 points. Joe Morgan of the Red Sox got the final first place vote finishing third with 28 points. Jeff was the only manager to be named on every ballot. October 30, 2005 – Literally days after the White Sox won their first World Series since 1917, Al Lopez, arguably the greatest manager in team history died at the age of 97. Lopez took over for Marty Marion before the start of the 1957 season and through 1965 led the club to nine straight winning seasons, five of them with 90+ victories and the 1959 American League pennant. He returned to the team in the managers capacity for parts of the 1968 and 1969 years. Lopez was a fundamentalist and as a former All-Star catcher knew the game. He worked through his assistant coaches as a game progressed but wasn’t shy about calling players out if he felt they weren’t giving a best effort or were constantly doing something wrong. Among Sox players who felt his wrath at times were All-Stars Nellie Fox and Jim Landis. But under Lopez the team got results and because he got along well with the media, positive publicity even at times when things weren’t going as well as could be on the field. Lopez, “The Senor” won 840 games with the Sox and had a winning percentage of .564.

I'm grateful that Kopech hasn't walked anyone yet today. Oops, I spoke too soon.

Game 5: GDD vs. SRR (Gameday | No Stream) All three Sox bats played in a 7 inning game to end the week. Montgomery went 0-3 with an RBI groundout. Burke went 1-4 with a SB. Bryan Ramos reached in every AB, 1-1 with 2BB. Fraser Ellard threw a scoreless 2K inning. Leasure got his first multi-inning appearance, getting the last out of the 6th and all of the 7th: 1.1IP, 0H, 1BB, 2K. His BAA is down to .083.

First, they are going to have to actually make some of those types of trades, which Hahn, for some reason, stopped making after in 2013 (Eaton #1 and Davidson). One worked out, one didn't, but all in all, a huge net +. I love these kind of trades, I agree that the Sox need them, and, for us old-timers, those are the type of deals that Hemond used to jumpstart the Sox after the 1970 disaster. I will edit to add that Carlos Quentin trade #1 was like that; Matt Thornton trade was like that. They made several from 2005-10, some worked out, some didn't, but the winners hit big. They involved fewer players than the Az trades, but the same type of trade. The Burger-Eder trade is arguably like that. But otherwise, it's mostly old-for-young or young-for-old.

Eh, I'm pulling for AZ, but I really have no horse in the race. I think the D-backs have better pitching depth and with the next 3 at home have a huge advantage. Of course I don't want baseball to end, so I need some crazy chaos from Texas so this goes 6 or 7.

I hated the pick when it was made and nothing has swayed my view that it was a colossal mistake.

The problem is that you really have to work hard to convince yourself he’s going to make it as a starter. It’s not Crochet daunting, but if Garrett has 5-10% odds to make the 2025 rotation, Eder is still well less than 50/50 to throw 150-160 mlb innings in 2025. And thats going to take everything going perfectly in 2024 and them not pulling a Crochet/Kopech stashing him in the pen because they refuse to spend anything on the bullpen. If you bet career fWAR from 2024 on, no way smart money is not on the position player side of things. With Jake Burger. It just seems dumb to trade your second best hitter for someone seasons away from being close to established. At least Nick Nastrini is in the 110-120 ip range for both of the last two seasons, for example.

This is amazing

yeah, said it before but while it's nice they aren't acting like you can be positive with this trash, when fans were accurately pointing out some of the fatal mistakes happening in real time, they were called complainers by guff and garfein. but regardless happy there is a soxtalk podcast.

getting out of the south side probably helped a bit too. even guys with a good attitude get pulled down when surrounded by mopes.

I have been critical in the past about Garfien being to close to the organization and JR. But in the last few years he hasn't been afraid to call out the incompetence and the dysfunction. And I have to give him credit for that.

I wouldn't say everyone. Plenty on this board were thrilled with the trade and convinced Burger was who they thought he was which was a terrible fielder, injury prone, low average, low OBP guy. It was like all the time he had missed meant nothing and he had no chance to improve and his transition into the major leagues didnt need to take extra time because of the time missed. It was just all so simple to project him as a future failure. I'm not convinced Eder is condemned to a life as he is who we think he is either but he's behind the 8 ball just as much as Burger was only he's just getting started on his journey to be an effective big league pitcher and Burger was already showing big signs that he was ready to blossom into a quality MLB hitter.

.806 is his OPS not slugging but I'm sure his slugging was pretty good also. Plus I don't think you can say the Marlins were the ones who improved his hitting with 100% accuracy. Part of my arguments about the trade was that Burger takes the responsibility for his own career. Also his hard hit rate was among the best in baseball . The fact that he was hitting in the low 200's didn't mesh with his hard hit rate. Usually the harder you hit the ball the better you BABIP is. His showing as a hitter in Miami might have been some percent of changes he was already working on or things the Marlins told him and worked with him on. But with the Marlins he was good from the get go. That would make the Marlins coaches some kind of miracles workers to suggest something that Jake decided to use and to have to work right away. That's not usually how things work.

If Getz wants to create a novel way to pitch 1400+ innings then be my guest. Having Eder up for 100 of them is fine. But you can’t have 14 guys throw 100 IP. Sign Bauer and let him and Cease log more. The rest by committee. I’d actually be interested in that.

Anderson has never appeared to be the clubhouse cancer that this board so desperately wants him to be. That's probably the reason.

The "young championship core!"

I don’t think any of them will be gone this year. First, two of them are easy to move, but won’t return anything. Anderson could have his option declined, Eloy could probably still have most of his contract sent elsewhere, but if you do either of those you have no replacement and that makes it tough to pretend you can decide to win this year. Moncada is unmovable without paying his deal or taking a contract like Sale back, and since they have no 3b without him, again they can’t pretend that they’re deciding to compete this year if they move him. Everything so far - Reinsdorf’s press conference, every comment from Getz and now especially BARField, has been how they have so much talent and expect to win soon. Plus, we still have the revival of the Perez rumors. There’s no logic to this being them trying to deceive everyone, it won’t sell tickets and denying that they’re rebuilding might only drive up Perez’s price in a trade. Reinsdorf insists that they have a good team that is one or two players away and can win soon, nothing fundamental has to change he just needs people on board with that decision. Whether the guys they brought in are dumb enough to believe this or they’re just repeating it because that’s what the boss wants who knows, but everything says they believe that they can decide to win this year. That also suggests that a reason why the GM was changed was that the last one might have questioned their natural ability to compete because they say so. Regardless, that leaves all of them coming back because you can’t insist you have a ton of talent and are going to compete this year and then let guys go for nothing.

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Lmao he is gonna fast track everyone who ever had hype. Project major leagues

so we are an organization that went from one of the Worst GMs in baseball and one of the worst in team history to a guy who clearly wasn’t qualified for the job and was hired without a competitive interview because he couldn’t possibly look like he deserves the job if he had to interview… And average would be a problem? Do you realize what a monstrous upgrade average front office performance would be?

https://www.milb.com/player/evan-carter-694497 Vaughn had just 212 milb at-bats. Even Evan Carter at his young age of 21 had nearly 1000 as a raw high school athlete out of eastern Tennessee. And a second round pick...which the White Sox consistently miss on.

Sure it looks great now but they're gonna be regretting the hell out of that contract in 2030! Dumbasses!

I'm grateful I'm a White Sox fan. What more could anybody want in life?

I really believe if Vaughn was a part of the Braves, Rangers, Brewers, etc.....he's a much different player today than he is with the Sox.

I mean, some degree of risk taking is necessary. I'm not "freaking out" about anything, it just seems to me like whatever injury-related concerns about Eder might also exist for the power hitter who has a more extreme injury history and is two years older and plays a game that will almost certainly regress with age. Burger's skillset is also more replaceable than a left-handed starter and is frankly redundant on this team. Sign Muncy this offseason if you want, that's essentially the same player with a better eye. some degree of risk taking is necessary. my opinion is that it's worth the risk.

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts......they'd cost $13.50 at G-Rate.

Well you pretty much have to go back to Q Danks and Floyd for a starting pitcher at this stage in his development actually working out and blossoming for multiple years after being acquired by the Sox. (Rodon's singular season hardly counts and he wasn't an external acquisition.) And Jake's only two years older than Eder....and suddenly freaking out about Jake Burger not even making it to 30 lol? Likelihood is that his past workload necessitates a bullpen trajectory just like Crochet and quite likely Michael Kopech as well. At the rate they're going, it will take 3-5 years to build a competent starting rotation again.

Jake Burger update... It's truly amazing that injured players sometimes improve, but here we are in the Jake Eder Is Trash And I Knew It All Along Thread #86

Your odds of making an MLB debut go up to something like 60% with an AFL assignment, and no org is sending guys they expect to contribute in the bigs to get random coaching from others sight unseen. Although almost every team does have at least one pair of division rivals, so I suppose the strategy of trying to sabotage your future competition could be an interesting one... Anyway, Eder left Bham early for Glendale specifically for the Sox to identify what mechanical tweaks they wanted to make. Then they sent him from the pitching lab to instructs to work on it in live reps, and now the AFL against tougher competition to keep working at it. There's pretty clearly a plan, his AFL time is a piece of it, and him complimenting the Dodgers coach when asked about him by the interviewer doesn't indicate otherwise IMO. AFL staff communicate with teams about their plans/goals for a player. The Sox aren't just closing their eyes and hoping everyone magically comes back more major league ready, they all essentially have "homework" assignments. Leasure, for example, is there to work on his new CB. And even though Anderson is actually one of his old LAD coaches, that's clearly a Sox directive (the third pitch the Dodgers had him tinker with was a changeup he apparently never got fully comfortable with, this curveball project started after the trade).

The thing with the Bears is that they will likely screw up whoever they draft at QB. So you need the guy to be absolutely perfect to have any faith that he can overcome the Bears’ coaching/development. It’s not exactly logical, but it’s the mindset of a fan of this team (or a Chicago team in general). If you expect a kick in the balls, and you get a slap in the face, it’s a win.

Wow that is not for another 98 years.