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Salary relief as a team already in line to have a bottom 5 payroll in the game. What an embarrassing organization this is

Taking lesser prospect packages on your last valuable trade chip because you are a penny pinching asshole will surely expedite this rebuild!

Grifol did almost as much damage to the org as Hahn/Haber and boy that's hard to believe.

I mean it makes perfect sense. Like when Pedro said he "wouldn't watch the eclipse because there are more important things to be doing". Stop being a tryhard, you aren't losing any edge by spending 5 mins of your 8+ hour day at the park enjoying something.

Gordan Beckham making it sound like Pedro was grinding too hard on the guys. He's talking about how sometimes less is more, you don't need to be there at noon every day etc, really making it sound like Grady is going easier on the team, and not harder, almost like Pedro was overdoing things.

People like you take it beyond streaky though. You make it personal. Like “he doesn’t care” blah blah. That’s who he is. He’s not Soto. He’s Luis Robert, and he’s better at baseball than either of us will ever be at anything in our entire life.

Are you Steve Stone? This is some Nostradamus level s%*#. 2HR and 2 feet from 3HR

Predicting a Robert HR. I do wish he'd either close his stance a little it or keep the same stance and move a bit closer to the plate. Where he stands now he swings at too many pitches off the plate inside and too many off the plate outside or can't drive the pitches outside. At least if moved closer the inside pitches off the plate would be too in on his hands to try and barrel up. Seems like he's either swinging and missing too much and either getting jammed , hitting off the end of the bat or swinging and missing way too many sliders and sweepers away. Best hitters in the bigs usually crush breaking pitches hanging in the zone. Robert is having trouble identifying spin period unless it's hanging up in his eyes.

I like that you guys are diagnosing and creating a treatment plan for an injury Montgomery may, or may not even have.

Demographics of this board are showing in this thread. I'm 41. I've lived about half my life in a world where pitcher wins don't matter. Younger fans it's all they know. They don't care about 300 innings in a season or 20 wins or whatever they care about team wins and WHIP and K rate and so on. This is like lamenting that there aren't any 50 save guys anymore and we need to change the rules to make that happen. Who fucking cares other than nostalgic old timers looking back with a biased eye?

I wish they would format it so the wildcard is a best of 5 and all other series are best of 7.

It’s exhibit 9,347,846

Tommy Pham needed playing time so they could basically get nothing in return for him.

La Pantera!! Muy bien!!

Heck of a game for Luis!

Only took until the middle of August to get Fletcher on the field. Good work fellas.

He’s a mediocre backup infielder that should be making the minimum. Good glove, little league caliber bat. Getz acquired him as a starter and actually agreed to pay him $4.3 million. Awful.

Robert’s career is over. Should have traded him. I’ve missed the game, how’s it going?

Update: Still dominating

Moncada DID have talent. He put up a 5.2 bWAR in 2019 and a 4.0 bWAR in 2021. What has happened to him since then (injuries and laziness?) is sad and pathetic. Also, the rumor is that Kenny made the Burger trade, not Hahn, because of his relationship with the Marlins former GM Kim Ng.

Imagine being proud of this fact like Harold…lol

I absolutely love the pitch clock addition. It’s not as good as watching a 1:53 hour duel between Mark Buehrle and Mark Mulder but it helps.

Some rule changes make sense. I get trying to speed games up, and I get player safety. But forcing more pitchers to go longer into game in an era where we already have too many pitching injuries seemns pretty foolish to me.

Yeah - shifts in the NHL used to last for several minutes at a time back before the ‘80’s. Back before the ‘70’s, you had to serve your full 2 minutes for penalties, regardless of whether the other team scored on the PP. The NBA didn’t used to have a shot clock. You couldn’t play zone defense (note: I’m not sure if you can now, because I don’t follow the NBA whatsoever) MLB didn’t have a DH, and pitchers pitched complete games, every 4 days. Hitters didn’t wear helmets. Times change. I think this rule is dumb and unnecessary, but we’ll all move on after some pointless bellyaching.

$I’m $not $sure, $but $something $tells $me $that $not $all $teams ($especially $the “$cut $the $season $short” $teams) $would $be $on $board.

After the Renteria to TLR to Grifol turn of events, I have to say I have come to the conclusion this is 100% the top consideration. Like many others, I was critical of Renteria for his in game decisions, but let’s face it, manager’s tactics come down to a lot of luck anyway. In retrospect, I’ll take the questionable moves every day of the week if you have a manager maintaining a cohesive team with a winning mentality. Like Berra said, 90% of baseball is half mental. Give me the psychological therapist. Half these ball players are nuts anyway

Where did you get respectable offers out of that? It mentions a couple prospects that were not offered, a prospect offer rejected due to injury, and that Benintendi was included in talks for salary relief in exchange for lesser offers

Paddy was actually good for the Sox with getting Robert , Abreu and Tatis, Jr. but in the case of Tatis, Jr. it's been said that Tatis, Sr. for some reason pursued the Sox which paved the way for Tatis ,Jr. signing with them. Jim Margulus had a good article when the Athletic interviewed Dave Wilder. While you do have to take what Wilder says with some grain of salt. He did make some points that alluded to how JR runs things his way. Wilder: [Reinsdorf] sat in on everything. And if he didn’t, every meeting they’d take notes and give it to Jerry. Minor league coaches, every Latin or Black coach I wanted to bring in, Jerry would — if they weren’t from the White Sox — usually not be interested. In any business you have, if you have someone who has been successful, I want their ideas. He never asked for ideas. He never said, ‘Dave, you were with Atlanta, what were they doing?’ He was too smart. Nothing has changed. It was Rick and Kenny to some extent, they don’t have the ability to put together a team the proper way. But the only way they had was the “White Sox Way.” They used to talk about that (White Sox Way) all the time. We had the owner who doesn’t know s— about baseball telling guys what to do. So the right guys got fired, but if I’m the owner of the team and it’s dysfunctional, it comes down on me. https://soxmachine.com/2023/09/following-up-david-wilder-takes-shots-at-white-sox/

Back in the 90's, Lou Piniella said something to the effect that a good Manager can win a handful of games a year, but a bad Manager can lose a dozen or more.

I can't image this would go over well with the MLBPA.

Not to mention how much of the season Fletcher was in AAA anyway. Newsflash, the manager isn't responsible for roster moves.

About a hundred games late there geniuses...

All of MLB thanks the White Sox for all of the wins they giveaway.

Seems like just yesterday we had to DFA Duke Ellis because we HAD to protect Chuckie.

Its a real cool idea that will never happen.

But think of all of the washed up utility players Getz could roster instead of another AA reliever!

No relation

With respect, no thank you.

I don't see anything respectable about those offers. If anything offering a sore armed pitcher is completely disrespectful and doing what many seasoned GMs will do to a rookie GM with an owner looking for more money. As I have said in previous posts they were treating Getz like a crack addict trying to pawn a Rolex. We know you're desperate ,take it or leave it. This situation is completely on Reinsdorf. Any discussion about Getz' competency should always remember this. While he may indeed be incompetent it's quite literally impossible for him to get a fair shake from fans who only judge trades by who you got back for who you traded.

Seems like they made the right decision to hold on to him. Imagine getting Ryan and then him going down 2 weeks later? Oof.

Yeah, this isn't the flex that some people believe it is, it's just a route to lengthening the rebuild.

Sizemore has these guys playing like they care. I wouldn't mind seeing him get a shot.

Correct. The game is too analytical. It's too max effort. It's not enough endurance and it's not situational enough anymore. It promotes a game that lacks action. I think there's probably plenty in the baseball and baseball analytics community who agree.

Every other sport has changed rules plenty of times due to technology and change in speed/skill/etc. The idea that baseball should never change rules to accommodate the games changes is short sighted imo.

The know-how is a prerequisite that continues to elude the org, by choice…

Well, at least that's one record the Sox won't challenge for a while...

Well, that works effectively for stock picking. See the book Latticework about value investing philosophical and humanities-interconnected foundations, by Robert Hagstrom. Focuses largely on Buffet, BRK and Oakmark Funds.

I know there wasn't a lot of hope for this season, but literally no one said worst season in the history of baseball.

Well, he clearly showed what he is “not gonna take.” so there’s that.