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While I wouldn't trade for a pitcher headliner in a Crochet deal, I'll play along. If Crochet's arm explodes next season, he very well may never pitch another inning for the White Sox, and if he does, we're talking 2nd half of 2026, and he'd have next to zero trade value, if any. If the Sox were to acquire Andrew Painter, he has 6-7 years of control. If he goes down with another TJS, he either has 6-7 years of control still, or worst case, you lose a season and a half of control if he happens to be on the active roster when the injury happens. This is pretty meaningful difference when the Sox might lose more than 121 games in 2025 (even with Crochet!), and would require a miraculous turn around to be remotely competitive in 2026 (even with Crochet!). But we can continue to ignore those extremely relevant details if you so wish.

Seems like whether he should or shouldn’t be traded is an irrelevant point to argue. He’s going to be traded. The logical discussion is what for?

wait til you learn he's from Naperville too!

People vote against their self interests all of the time. They did it a week ago, and will continue to do so with the right story being fed to them.

I've said this plenty of times, so here goes again. When I've gone to a good ballpark, I don't just go to the ballpark. I drive in (or better yet take transit) I visit a restaurant on the way into the park, I visit a bar across the street. I have a beer or two in the park, then another after the game finishes before taking transit back assuming that option exists. If there's another shop, I might browse or walk around, god knows what I might buy. I have never done that at the Cell/Rate, because there is nothing like that to do. You park, you go to the game, you go home. Reinsdorf wanted his parking revenue, and that comes at the expense of developing surrounding businesses. If I visit the area now that I live outside of Chicago, I stay at a hotel in NW Indiana and drive in, because how many hotels are there at the Rate? The Cell is an island feeding Reinsdorf parking money but with basically no positive impact on the surroundings. The amount of money being generated by business on the 78 site right now is roughly...zero, and has been for 60 years. No one is dining at a restaurant or staying at a hotel on that site right now. Those businesses are not paying taxes because they don't exist. The fact that those businesses don't exist, and instead you have an empty lot, also impacts the businesses and communities around it, because very few people live on an empty lot and very few people stay at hotels on an empty lot to visit businesses around it. This affects land values and business revenues in the entire surrounding area. Over a period of..."60 years", which is how long this site has been undeveloped, this is easily hundreds of millions of dollars of lost revenue to the city and state by having the area undeveloped. What will happen to the Rate site is an open question, because you can't just leave it as an abandoned eyesore. It could be repurposed for a different sport or redeveloped into something else. That has to be part of any plan, but it can be. If we compare "The White Sox leading development of a community at the 78 site and something positive done with the current location" to "The 78 site has sat vacant as a polluted eyesore since the 1960s and Reinsdorf's ballpark is on an island supporting no surrounding businesses", that is a huge difference in the business climate. That is the kind of change that makes a serious positive improvement on the city and a major increase in tax dollars. If all the city does is get this site developed, that is a win - and over a 30 year stadium lifetime, that's a win that could be potentially on the order of hundreds of millions of dollars. I have zero issue with that being the city's contribution to this project, because that's a long-term investment in the quality and growth of the city. This is, in my opinion, what the politicians are asking for when they say "They want a good deal for the city". They understand that they can't expect only private money to develop this site, that's not how things work in a big project like this, but Reinsdorf has to show them why it will be a good deal. He refuses to do this. I have a problem with "vastly more money being spent than that because we don't want to lose a baseball team", which is what Reinsdorf has instead he deserves.

I feel a little sorry for Nicky. He came and gave us a season that was totally in line with his career numbers and he didn't get hurt every few weeks. This was far more than can be said about most of the people on the 2024 team.

No offense, but that team isn’t 45 wins better than this year’s squad. And then Crochet is gone the following season. Your plan doesn’t work and sets us up for sustained mediocrity IMO. We need to cash in on Crochet and get two positional prospects that be everyday guys, one with a fairly high offensive ceiling. Until then, there simply isn’t a mass of offensive talent to think we can fill six spots or so internally. You just said prospects flop at very high rates and then just assumed we’ll be able to fill a lineup with the subpar group we have in place. It’s all a huge stretch. I am less concerned on pitching side. Crochet it will challenging to replace, but we do have two shots in Schultz & Smith. Taylor also has a very high ceiling. I strongly believe Thorpe will be a very useful mid rotation starter. Cannon looks like a solid innings eater type. And unlike on the positional side, there is a lot of pitching depth in the minors. I’m much more confident in Bannister building a playoff caliber rotation in the next two years without Crochet than us lucking into a competent offense without trading him.

Trading Crochet is such a no brainer. I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone that understands (a) where the Sox currently stand; (b) how the white sox historically have operated; (c) the dearth of high end positional talent; and (d) Crochet's general risk profile, current value and contractual status; can possibly believe that retaining Crochet is in the organization's best interest.

I knew Carlos Sanchez....Carlos was a friend of mine....you, Nicky Lopez, are no Carlos Sanchez.

Even if I grant you projecting bust on everyone, you've missed my entire point. You'd trade Crochet for Schultz every time. Because your team BLOWS, your pitcher is two years from free agency and has managed one injury free season out of four -- while Schultz has SIX years of control. I mean for those who are trying to imagine ADDING to this roster, I feel the need to remind you that it CANNOT be exaggerated how bad this team is. This is THE worst team. Keeping a depreciating asset instead of converting it to one that can appreciate is weirdly similar the literal definition of bad process. If you want to keep the two decent players on the roster because you want to watch someone good pitch every five days for a 110 loss team, that's fine, but it's not how you move toward the next championship.

got it.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with this. Out of the three prospects you mentioned today they are: now the #5 overall prospect (Jobe), a 24-year old that has been inconsistent but already has a 30-plus homer season and still three more years of control (Torkelson), and a good-glove backup catcher with upside and 5 more years of control (Dingler). As of today, Jobe alone makes that trade a win, even if Tork never figures it out. You're trading a guy with only two more years on your team that just lost almost every game in the season. You can't look at this like a snapshot -- taking things one year at a time is exactly why the White Sox have delivered you exactly one flukey championship in the last 100 years. I mean, are you suggesting Mayo and Holliday are busts? Neither of them even has HALF a season under their belts. Coby Mayo is 22 years old dude. You know who else was sub replacement at 22? Paul Konerko. Jackson Holliday is TWENTY.

What Fenway food item is that twitter associated with?

White Sox and Yankees have a combined 30 World Series. Pretty close!

Personally, I preferred baseball post civil war:

2028-2029? How old are you? If you think the Sox aren't going to compete again (even with great ownership) until 2028-2029 why are you even still here? Sheesh. No league requires 6-7 years of awfulness to be competitive. There's zero reason a competent leadership couldn't have the White Sox competitive in the AL Central by 2026. Competitive doesn't mean the best team in the world. It doesn't even mean winning the division, but it means playing competitive baseball into the year.

We just held an election where we did just that as a nation.

So now we're hoping we trade our ace lefty arm, because of his injury risk, so we can acquire a 22 year old coming off TJ who has thrown 15 innings since 2022? Some of you guys really like pain.

Plus let's be fully honest here, the Royals made the playoffs because they went and beat the s%*# out of the White Sox all season long. If they played 13 games against the ALE or ALW, they 100% miss the playoffs because they don't have those gimmies.

Passan: “BREAKING: For 18th consecutive season, the Cy Young award goes to: Nobody.”

There is so much more that goes into this other than just trading Crochet for prospects. Obviously, in a perfect world you never trade Crochet because he is worth way more than 3 prospects who you have no idea how they will turn out. Crochet just proved that he can stay healthy and pitch at a very high level. The problem is, the White Sox will never meet the price that will be required to sign him to an extension. So you are left with the options of trading him now when his value will never be higher, or you can go ahead and let him pitch the next two seasons for a losing team and watch him walk away for a middling comp pick. It seems not only an easy choice, but logical, to trade him this offseason. And this is solely because the White Sox don't want to pay for top end starting pitchers.

This is my argument from earlier. Let's say we get in time machine and make a trade with 2022 Tigers. We get #4 overall prospect Spencer Torkelson (career -0.3 WAR), #40 overall Jackson Jobe (Career WAR 0.1) and solve our long-term catching problem with Tigers #4 prospect Dillon Dingler (Career WAR -0.3) plus a flyer pick. That's a top 5 a top 50, PLUS Tigers 4th best prospect plus some A ball player we think has real upside??? If we got that package we would have been over the moon. If we get that from some team, in this era of teams not trading top position players, we would be hugging ourselves. The problem is prospects are all risky until they're not. Certainly, SSS but Jackson Holiday with about the same number of at bats as James McCann put up 1/8 of the WAR. Coby Mayo struck out in half his at bats in 17 games. Untouchable. Our 25-year-old ace who's succeeded in the majors...MUST be traded. Sigh

After his performance last season, whatever the cause, please don't rush him up until he actually looks like he can handle a promotion.

Who is going to lead off? The Schrif told us Nicky really took to leading off. He wasn't Rickey Henderson, but pretty close.

Awesome, hopefully we can win a World Series in the next two years then.

Just because they don’t have a great track record of development doesn’t mean they never develop anyone.

White Sox could do much worse than a 3 WAR platoon player. In fact, he’d be by far the best position player on the mlb roster, not saying much I know.

I think Wilyer Abreu is pretty good. I’d hope they get really good prospects with him though. I’d assume Anthony and Mayer are off the table.

I get this, but JR and the McCaskeys are at a low even for them. Getting public funding, at least anywhere near what they want, is going to be impossible.

He is a one term mayor. He has already sealed his fate. Ran on no property tax increases.@ year and a half later he proposes a raise. No politician survives that.in one of the wards this past election they asked on a ballot if voters were OK with publicly funding a new Bears stadium. It was trounced. 79 percent said no.

This would be my target from Boston, or De Paula and Hope from LA. i have an inkling they’d like to get a deal done before the December Winter Meetings.

Makes sense to me, as Boston isn’t trade Anthony or Teel. Don’t forget that they asked Boston to take Benintendi as well.

I am increasingly less impressed with Ryan Poles. Claypool and Davis were terrible moves, but at MINIMUM should've indicated to Poles that he did not have the culture guy in place that he thought he did. Both players had concerns, both regressed big time on the Bears. Waldron I pin more on Flus, but Poles is responsible for Flus.

I will be fully honest here. I don't want a pitcher as a centerpiece of this deal. But I also don't want the Getz group to take a massive discount on a hitter just to get a hitter into the deal. At the end of the deal the best deal is the best deal.

A Boston Fan Page Twitter account is hardly a source we should be paying attention to.

Citi Field is a REALLY poor example here, because it is widely thought that the number one reason Steve Cohen bought the Mets and immediately dumped money into it was so that he could build up political good will to get one of three NY State Casino Licenses, to build a casino hotel on the site accompanying that stadium. Cohen has dumped money into the Mets in part because he wants to build the accompanying business, because the combination of the two businesses will allow him to make a fortune. These are also older stadiums. While they are #1 and #2 in attendance, they aren't the way teams are using stadiums right now. Teams like the Braves and Giants have well established how profitable it is to put a stadium in the middle of an entertainment complex, where the stadium drives revenue that supports the surrounding businesses. Similarly, cities like Pittsburgh and Cincinnati have shown how driving foot traffic to downtown areas is a way to massively boost the economic status of a downtown area by bringing in foot traffic. It works, we know this works. It is good for a city, it is good business.

Gossage also averaged less than 2 innings an appearance so who is he to criticize them for 5 innings

This team is the least talented team in baseball, coming off a 121 loss season, and looking to trade their two best remaining assets. They aren't going to be spending money, and they have a terrible track record with development. Its going to be an extremely long road to get competitive again before 2028. Next year is going to be just as bad as 2024. Then you are hoping they start taking steps in 2026 and 2027. If they get some gems from development and nail trades of Crochet and Robert, then you may be looking at 2027 as a best case scenario. Do people not realize how dire this situation is?

I'm 61, how old are you? Sure. I don't think 81-85 wins is out of the question by 2026. I meant making the playoffs, and looking like they could be a factor. Having 7+ starting offensive pieces. Full rotation with no question marks. The richest person on Earth could buy the White Sox, and they're not signing the top 3 agents for the next 3 years. This is year zero. They have 3 stud pitchers in the minors. They have 4 nice rotation pieces on the ML team. Maybe they have 3 positional starters in the organization right now.

To an extent, yes. We also have a lot of data on TJ injuries now and recurrence rates and frequencies. All things considered, I'd trust Crochet over the next 5 years about as much as I'd trust any average arm over that period. There's risked tied to all, but Crochet is immediate post-opp and actually had a lot of very positive signs last year.

No, we’re hoping we trade him because we are realistic about ownership and understand they have no chance of signing Crochet in two years if he’s anywhere near as good as he was in 2024. There’s a difference between reality and fantasy land that you seem to be living in.

That would be an outstanding deal for the Sox. I know most here disagree but I prefer Painter over Miller as the headliner in a Phillies trade.

“We’ve had very thoughtful discussions,” Reinsdorf said. “I’m always positive about everything. I’m even positive about the White Sox winning the division.” Said before the worst season in modern recorded baseball history…

How delusional.

I dunno bout that. Starters: You have to agree 5 innings is a long outing nowadays. That leaves 4 innings where a LOT can and does happen. So the best starters still get very few wins. W/L meaningless. So that leaves K's. Frankly the five inning wonders all are gonna strike out a TON of batters. Hence a zillion pitchers with a lot of strikeouts. That means nobody outshines anybody else. 10 strikeouts to 12 in five innings will be average to decent. ... Now middle relievers that go one or two innings. Hall of Fame consideration LOL. Finally the guys who work the 8th and 9th. Roles will change with different guys on staffs closing, meaning 20-30 saves a season will be the upper echelon of guys. Not exactly Bruce Sutter territory. Let's face it. Bye bye pitchers for the Hall cept for a few current guys who only recently joined the 5-inning club.

What in the world are you talking about?

Nice win for Chris Getz. Maybe the stuff about internal conflict on the hire was overblown, either way, good for him. He turned down the Mets and Steve Cohen, so I wonder how Getz sold him on this opportunity. Maybe he’s intrigued by having an opportunity to build something from the ground up

Fantastic hire. Great work, Men.

Well this is a nice surprise.