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Stop trading younger players for old, lefty relievers

Bannister obviously likes Gilbert. I don't think Combs is worth much hand wringing but it's a bizarre strategy they're employing giving up young players for 30+ year old relievers.

You sign guys like this on the FA market, and not give up your guys to get them. Getting a reliever to flip isn't the problem, it is diminishing your return by wasting your farm system to get them.

Stop making sense or you’ll summon westeddy to derail the thread.

McCarthy vs. Fletcher...?

This isn't the Phillies trade I was waiting for.

I don't think anyone is gnashing their teeth over losing an 8th round pick, its the trading a 23 year old for a 31 year old who doesn't bring back experience or leadership or any tangible contribution for the use of a 40 man spot. It's just strange.

Dude maybe he can be ok and then we can flip him at the deadline for an Aaron Combs type guy!

Last year they traded 32 year old left handed reliever Tanner Banks for a player better than Aaron Combs.

Combs looks like a piece that doesn’t need 40 man protection for several years. Gilbert is a DFA that may or may not make the team. I don’t know wtf they are thinking.

It's always good to get those drunken "I'm cutting Shewmake!!!" resolutions out of the way, quickly.

Nick Lopez's veteran leadership and local connections were worth millions in marketing tie ins.

Didn't we just have a whole thread about how there wasn't room in the bullpen?

He was so bad that the Braves, an annual contender, chose to extend him.

Did our win total at Draft Kings move up to 50 as a result of this acquisition?

Remember when the O’s got rid of Eloy before the season was even over? I’m sure this happens quite often. Not everything has to be some colossal failure. It was an Aaron Bummer trade.

It feels like Getz thinks he made 1 good trade last year so now he is doing everything he can to replicate it. It is also disappointing he still seems to have zero faith in his drafting, scouting, and development teams because he is already trading away the people he brought in for pennies.

Players Getz are acquiring in these trades are low level scrap heap.

Apparently the new market inefficiency the Sox have found is old and inexperienced relievers. So much better than experienced relievers.

Banks had some history of success in three straight seasons with the Sox before he was traded. Gilbert hasn’t been good since his rookie season in 2021.

Oh, sure. But the Sox drafted him for some reason and to trade him for an old AAA reliever is silly. Especially cause a good front office clearly thinks they're making the better move.

Hope this choice by Barfield works out better than his last one…

Bowden saying this makes me feel like there's a chance.

Oh did the 30 year old reliever have a nice line in AAA

It would be nice if our GM had a track record of success to lean on that inspired confidence...

Getzy out here acquiring the who's who of dudes I've never heard of.

They had six top 10 picks and two 11's. Truly extraodinary how much they fucked it up.

The premise of this thread is that they have to give him AB's to see what they have, and I'm simply suggesting that we've seen enough that nothing should be a given with him. If you look at the whole of his Major League body of work, and not simply some very cherry picked numbers in LA last season, you get the picture of a dude who has failed miserably and has shown little ability to adjust. He wouldn't be the first prospect to tear up AAA and flame out in the Bigs. The Sox gave him everyday AB's after the trade, nearly twice as many as his 2024 in LA, and he was abysmal. Yes he is out of options, but that alone shouldn't entitle him to playing ahead of anyone else in my book. He has to earn it just as much as anyone else. There is no reason to compound the mistake of trading for him by playing him ahead of guys like Sosa or Ramos or anyone else who might still prove to be a useful piece.

This is like the exact opposite of interesting. Unless they just got the job, pretty much every GM is dropping a guy he acquired when he DFAs someone.

157 plate appearances after a mid season trade might not be a large sample size, but he's had over 500 AB's in the bigs. At some point we have to stop clinging to his former prospect status from years ago and look at what he has done in the Majors. And his Major League numbers aren't pretty, which, to me, are more predictive of who he is and will be than his AAA numbers or prospect ranking from years past.

Where would they have been had Reinsdorf not bought a team that already had the greatest player in NBA history?

It's obviously what happens when you have zero additional budget for adding veteran bullpen arms, but you also want to avoid another all-time worst record simultaneously. Rock and a hard place. The Law of Diminishing Returns...we're pretty much the anti-Dodgers, almost.

It would have been interesting to see if guys like Booser and Gilbert would have been cut outright eventually and become free agents with no other teams having interest, had Getz not jumped to give up a player for them.

Mostly it's the only moves he can make .He's got no MLB players to trade that aren't at their lowest values. If all you can trade at the deadline are relief pitchers he doesn't want to trade the promising young arms with 6 years left who had good seasons at Birmingham and Charlotte or our busted young starters before we find out if they are useful in the pen like Nastrini or Eder. So when u have a plethora of good young arms then you're going to trade the younger mid to late rounds college draft pick RP or a 17 yr old DSL pitcher.

Oh come on now thats all we heard about for the last year how embarrassing it was. Getz is a failure, Jerry lied to us. It didn't even sink in that it was the 1st year of a rebuild people were pissed off and you know it. That's why you're hear lambasting every little nothing move they make still. Going from a 121 to 105 or 110 losses is some progress . It's just a waiting game for JR to die .In the meantime we're stuck with what we're getting and maybe even some of it works out. Getz is trying to build a competent bullpen. Sure he's already got some young arms to try in the pen , failed young starters , young relief pitchers like Palette, Coffey and Schoenle he actually rather not trade so he brings in some older arms that maybe he can flip maybe not . But between the AA, AAA and AAAA guys he brought in he's going to have plenty of arms to choose from that are MLB ready. He sure cant flip a Kanny RP who likely never makes it to the big leagues. Maybe next year you got Schultz and Hagen vying for the rotation and Quero and Teel and Colson Montgomery and a few other guys hitting .And Braden Montgomery shooting up through AA. I'm really sorry I don't see disaster in every move they make.

Eh, Shewmake was fine as a toss in. I've razzed the Bummer trade enough because it was mostly roster filler that the Braves (good org) dumped on Getz, but Riley Gowens had a good year. The problem is when Getz keeps doing this baffling thing of making moves to acquire age in exchange for youth. He did it so, so much last year. His better moves are the inverse, but even then Vargas is a red mark and the Cease deal comes down to how you view Thorpe's future in the league (and, again, he acquired an old reliever). We all saw last year that vet leadership means jack s%*# when it's devoid of talent.

Texas fans have to be beside themselves with angst/nervous energy. You can't do that twice in a row without karmic consequences.

Like a lot of the guys they've brought in, he's throws a cutter. That seems to be a Bannister trademark. I think this is all about the Sox trying to create value out of essentially fringe players, and flip at the deadline like Tanner Banks last season. Low-risk move. You can always find additional Combs profile-players all across the minors and during the draft - he wasn't even in the top 30.

The most likely thing is they lied to the fans about their intent to shut them up.

Or maybe a prospect like Yhoiker Fajardo?

If you've never heard of him, he plays for the Chicago White Sox

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That ASU fan shaking his head just now pretty much encapsulates the entire bowl season so far. Then you have Oregon Ohio State rematch in the quarter finals...maybe the two best overall teams in terms of talent, and meanwhile PSU gets Boise? Just have the Big Ten top two vs. SEC top two lol.

Wonderful use of punctuation there, Bowden

Why did he feel it necessary to say “not the White Sox”? It feels like salt in the wound.

For those who had to look up the names like me: Tyler Gilbert is the guy who threw a no hitter in his first major league start a few years ago. He’s 31 years old. Bullpen piece. Aaron Combs was our 8th round pick in the most recent draft. Also a bullpen guy.

I'm betting that Getz thought he could trade that money to the team signing Sasaki, then Sasaki came in for the January and later signing period. What else could they have thought they might use it for other than signing players?

He’s 25 years old now and he has put up a .586 OPS in 591 plate appearances. Not a huge sample size but the equivalent of a full year in the majors. He also blows with the glove at whatever position he is thrown at, so that will further keep his WAR/value down.

But this feels like dinging the Patriots under Belichick and Craft for their politics massage trips or Brady being overlooked by everyone. The Chiefs are right up there...generational QB who signed a below value/flexible contract to accommodate more talent on the roster is 75% of it. The Dodgers with their deferrals and marketing to Asia and monetizing Ohtani/their brand globally are transforming how the entire sport does business. A Taipei investment company paid $4.5 million for that 50/50 Ohtani HR ball just to put it on display for customers. How many fans of the Dodgers on that island will result?

When the Sox acquired Vargas he had a 108 OpS+ in 80 PA for the Dodgers, after putting up a .290/440/556 line at AAA in 191 PA, and having .900 OPS and .400 OBP over previous two years in minors. Not sure what happened in those 40 games with Sox, but prior to that, Fletcher wasn’t even on the same planet as Vargas. Basically an A- prospect vs a B- prospect. Sox definitely have to give Vargas at bats but Fletcher I’d say needs to earn any kind of role IMO