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You spend most of your time grousing. I love the White Sox. Had season tickets over 30 years. 30 years, I've given them plenty of passes, but not anymore. Go back to the 2024 season prediction thread. We both predicted the exact same number. 41 wins bothered me, especially given the reasons we were told there was no search for a real GM. You couldn't care less. Not everyone is the same. Sorry you think my way is stupid. I think belng happy the team is the laughingstock of the league is stupid.

Jesus, when are these coaches going to learn? Lol

What the Sox don't seem to realize is that they are not losing so-called "fair weather fans." They are losing some of their most loyal fans. And if that is truly happening, what do you have left? Denial is strong over there.

Also, the fact that we're debating if our beloved team is a national laughingstock probably means that our beloved team is a national laughingstock.

@tray with his drive by “IM NOT MAD” laugh emojis. Def not mad

The bullpen is going to be worse than last season?????!!!!!!

Forget it. He's rolling.

Fangraphs would ratheer moan about Chris Getz than see his genius, which is so obvious to anyone with a clue.

I mean, the team was going to be a laughingstock regardless of the misfortunes they suffered last year. From the second they hired Tony La Russa, all of the credibility and momentum and gusto that went into "multiple parades" territory went all out the window. The confidence in the team that it had built up was suddenly flipped upside down, from an outsider's perspective, and a pretty sizeable consensus of the non-Sox world was puzzled (at its most generous) by the hiring. The Hahn rebuild had good momentum going into the 2020-2021 offseason, then Jerry Jerryed it up by getting involved and doing it "his" way by hiring TLR. Fast forward to the tail end of the failed rebuild, and they fire Hahn and KW. Everyone's thinking "OK - this is the chance the Sox turn it around," then.... they promote Getz without a legitimate GM search, and the hiring is sold to us as someone who will lead a quick turnaround. In reality, it just showed that the Sox refuse to get out of their own way and will sit and try to slam the revolving door shut over and over again. The national media has called bullshit on this since day 1. Leaving aside my belief that "luck" in the case of the 2024 White Sox was as much "luck" as a rudderless ship helplessly drifting into a storm, the process that went into the 2024 White Sox, including the hype at the tail end of the pre-2020 rebuild, as well as the comedy of executive-level errors and missteps that followed, firmly planted the Sox into "laughingstock" territory that absolutely deserves mockery.

Almost like the guy who has to repeat how HE is the most clear headed one on Soxtalk, as if trying to convince himself first.

This seems about appropriate for the Sox

I watched about 8 total innings last year, and I expect that number to be significantly lower in 2025. Go Go White Sox!

The team lost 27 games last year where it took a lead into the 7th inning or later remember. That's pretty hard to beat but if any franchise can do it, it will be these guys.

People forget the white flag trade wasn’t the only element of the white flag. They also traded Harold for a bag of balls

And Cease was also good here.

I'm genuinely amazed how uninteresting and bad our bullpen pipeline and mlb talent is. few arms are even interesting. This has been a thing for 5 years, after they put crochet in there it's just been a lot of trash cycling through from AAA where a guy with an 9 ERA was our hope to be good in the majors.

I look at the big picture and if you said you did this, there have to be a TON of fellow Sox fans who did the same thing. I mean I have a friend in Lisle who got fired from a job because he had tickets for the Sox-Orioles playoff series (the Dybber, Britt Burns, Hoyt series) and his boss said if he skipped work he was fired. He went to the game and got fired. This guy doesn't know anybody on the Sox roster besides a player or two, has no idea of our farm system saviors who were acquired for Crochet. He has zero interest in the Sox. I mean a true diehard. A lot of you I know think as soon as we start winning again all the former fans who have lost interest will come back. Maybe, but there are an awful lot of kiddos who have NO interest in the Sox, many probably don't even know Chicago has a team at 35th and Shields. My point: Say what you want but the longer the Sox are totally irrelevant and loser of 100 plus games, the more fans will stay away. Most people will not pay those prices for a mere baseball game that features no players worth watching and food/drink/parking that's for the 1 percenters, not the average Jane and Joe workin' 60 hours a week. Very sad. My second year of not watching a game is upon us. I will watch highlights as long as mlb allows it for free.

This isn’t true. You’re acting like it’s 1985. Sports fans have become conditioned to “rebuilds” in most sports leagues. Not saying it’s the way it should be, but it is. Look at the Bulls. They have literally been playing the same season for the last 3+ years, being 4-5 games under .500, with not even the smartest basketball minds able to figure out what their long term plan is. It’s totally hopeless. The Blackhawks are terrible, but at least with the Hawks, you understand the mission. Stan Bowman, like Kenny and Rick, was retained far too long. The veteran core continued to rot year after year and players weren’t being developed. When Davidson was finally brought in, fans were excited for a fresh voice and new vision. And he was fairly clear with fans that in order to fix this, they had to bottom out. And it was for a chance to land a generational type player. Which they accomplished. This year has been a disappointment for the Hawks, but they still feature one of the best prospect pools in the league and the future still looks bright. Championship Contender or Worst Team in the League..fans want to know there is a plan in place. What’s the plan? What am I watching right now? Are they trying to be awful, and if so, what’s the prize they are going after? People just want to know what the plan is. When you don’t have one, that’s when things get ugly. Transparency matters.

The amount of open throws Daniels gets is crazy. You see him throwing to wide open short routes a lot, especially on 3rd and 4th downs. Those just didn't seem there for the Bears the majority of the time. Everything was like pulling teeth. Hopefully they can scheme more guys open under Johnson. Daniels gets a lot of credit for how good he's been, but Kliff should get credit as well for making it much easier on his rookie QB.

Chourio is one of only 10 players projected for at least 25 homers and 25 steals this season. The others: Ohtani, Witt, Ramírez, Rodríguez, Jazz Chisholm Jr., Luis Robert Jr., Ronald Acuña Jr., Elly De La Cruz and Corbin Carroll. That's a star-studded group to be a part of. https://www.mlb.com/news/most-interesting-mlb-player-projections-for-2025 Shouldn't there be a "greatest shape of his life" puff piece coming from Merkin...or is that the kiss of death jinx to tear something else when he gets too muscular/bulked up?

Except the vast amount of investigation that showed any criminal charges were unwarranted. I also can't prove gravity exists, but I'm not a moron.

FSASMT

And again, if you think this is funny, f*** You. GTFOH with that s%*#.

Why are you saying "falsely accused"? Please tell us what you know about this case that completely exonerates Clevenger. If you say that MLB "completely exonerated him", you're lying. MLB is not a court of law. As an employer, they can only conclude that whatever evidence exists does not clear the bar for further suspension. There are women in my life who decided to not pursue rape charges because they knew that it would be her word against his. Again, to keep repeating the same stupidity says to me that you have no respect for the word of women.

See - I read that and I fail to see the difference between your "C" and my option "B." In both cases, the Sox couldn't see that they were bad. In either event, I don't think it changes my assertion that the Sox made themselves laughingstocks without the misfortune of bad luck.

Sorry for the long posts - in front of a physical keyboard instead of a damn phone, and I actually have a little bit of time to myself. Boredom + stress + shitty White Sox team + access to keyboard = long posts from me, apparently.

To clarify, the 2024 Sox were like a rudderless ship who drifted into the path of an oncoming storm, whereas anyone who was paying attention would have said "uh - guys? we should probably have a way to steer this ship, and has anyone checked the weather forecast lately?" Sure, it's "luck" that you drift into the storm, but the point is that the Sox have done so many things to shoot themselves in the foot that the bad "luck" of a linear 5~6 win subtraction kicks you outside of a standard distribution curve and wayyyy out beyond the bell curve. The Sox, with no misfortune, would have lost 100+ last year, in a year that the team tried to sell the public as being part of a quick turnaround, "not a rebuild," etc. So it's either: a) The Sox lied to us and knew they were going to be bad but tried to sell us otherwise to defend their decisions. This is funny, because nobody who'd been paying attention at all believed their bullshit. or b) The Sox believed that the team was going to be good. This is funny because... well... they were bad, and everyone who'd been paying attention knew it. Thus, in conclusion, the White Sox absolutely are, were, and would have been laughingstock regardless of their "luck" or "misfortune," and they are, in fact, laughingstocks because of the decisions they've made, and the manner in which they've made the decisions.

A national columnist used that phrase exactly

I was waiting for my therapy session with my kids when I read this and spit out my coffee.

We’ve already covered the second part of your post regarding the potential Twins/Fedde/Keaschall trade. I provided two sources that said it was on the table. You simply made up your own hypothesis on what happened because you have to defend Getz to the bitter end and justify the Vargas acquisition. Regarding the first part of your post… “COLUMN: The Chicago White Sox are the laughing stock of baseball“ Also, when your fans are chanting “SELL THE TEAM” to the owner live at their own fan fest, call me fucking crazy but your team may be a “laughingstock”. 🤣 You can have your opinion, but it is definitely in the minority.

It definitely has meaning and it is in the dictionary. One guy’s weird opinion doesn’t make it not have meaning. ”Laughingstock of the league” It’s definitely a thing and the Sox are now the poster child for it.

Law on Monty.

Solid signing imo

I'm not sure where "WestEddy won't admit to a win-loss record when it happens" comes from. I'm probably the person most anchored in reality on this board.

We are a bad team. So why not rotate Meirdoth, Rojas, Baldwin, Sosa between DH, 2B, SS, 3B Based on what is best position for each player Let's see who can play.

Balta: I don't know what that link is but what I posted was a very small part of a column today by Paul Sullivan in the Tribune which I understand is blocked for some folks, that's what I didn't post a link since some couldn't read the column in the first place.

Dick Allen bobblehead day, I may have to pause my protest and attend.

Baseball America is the only publication who ignores 45 days of service. It makes no sense. They go with 130 at-bats or 50 ip. It's weird.

Obviously Colson's shine has worn off, but I thought Law's AFL report on him was very weird. He said he couldn't move and looked so slow, but he was stealing bases and everyone else said it's the first time he has looked healthy all year.

Man, 1500 people in two days. What a fall from the previous heights of the event

Dude add a link come on. https://bsky.app/profile/worldbytenews.bsky.social/post/3lgq6zdq3qz22

Dude why do you keep repeating this same statement like it’s new

"SoxFest quickly went off the rails. Fans without microphones shouted indecipherable questions, and most of the panelists gave canned responses inferring everything would be fine. The loudest boos were reserved for Gene Watson after he said Sox fans would soon understand this was the “best front office” in the major leagues. It was like standing in front of a landfill and announcing it would one day become Disneyland. Sox fans were not buying it."

State of the White Sox?

Robert should look at the career of Ernie Banks who is turning in his grave looking at Robert who is throwing his career away. Banks in his first 13 years with the Flubs played on losing teams but maintained a great attitude while winning 2 MVP awards.

I don't think Robert knows how to have a "good attitude". No one ever taught him good habits in the minors or in his first few years in the majors, he wasn't coached and no one wanted to mess with that because when he was healthy it worked. He thinks having a good attitude is being in good shape then allowed to do his own thing because he's so physically dominant.

Yep.... and the "top 3 farm system" needs to restock and double down on player development funding and strategy to continually restock the top end of the farm without having to tear it down. Look at what teams like Cleveland and Tampa do.

That's awesome you will support the team no matter the quality of the product. Many of us could handle a down year or two, but this current thing going on is appalling. You'd think after the embarrassment of last season the Sox would try to improve the team. Instead there is no reason to believe the team has improved at all from last year. If you are willing to pay exorbitant prices for tickets (I assume you want a good seat, not some bad seat) again good for you. I don't see how a franchise has fooled some fans in thinking a second rebuild job is a good thing. The stars of the first rebuild were all stiffs, ala Moncada and Timmy and Eloy lol.

Dude listed 12 names in his post.