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see a lot of these, and I think they are supposed to create this feeling of “wow we are so much better than last year!” But it hits different when last year we were one of the worst offenses in the 150 year history of baseball and has 41 wins. We could have rolled the exact same team back and struggled to hit marks that bad. This team is 100% more enjoyable, and I’m happy for our young hitters, but we’ll be clawing to hit 61 wins. 61 wins for any other franchise is horrific, and for us it’s being repackaged as incredible just because of our record setting ineptitude.

As someone who got accused of "gaslighting" in spring training threads for suggesting they weren't evidence of another 120 loss season being imminent, it's kind of funny to see a sort of "well, progress was inevitable" take. The team was obviously set to break their own record, until they weren't, at which point it became apparently obvious that they were never going to I guess. And in a sense I actually agree that they were never going to! Last year required so many things to go wrong that it would be hard to repeat that outcome if you tried. But also saying that a few months ago got you accused of shilling for Getz' dumpster dive signings or whatever. Regardless, even though improvement was necessary, or even inevitable, the nature, magnitude, and source of that improvement is still relevant. Not because of what they say about the low bar of last season but because of how they might project going forward. It matters if they can convert MiLB success to the majors, or change approaches to hit for more power, or identify swing/stuff tweaks to reclaim past talent from their acquisitions, or build a cohesive clubhouse atmosphere, or otherwise improve in any number of ways. We know they need all of these improvements, we want them to happen, but apparently don't want them talked about until it's all done I guess? I don't know. My last paycheck didn't make me a millionaire or even get me measurably closer, but I'm not upset when the bank tells me how much it was just because previously being a broke college student set a low water mark.

I completely support everyone here in being angry that this rebuilding team isn't in first place and vying for top playoff seed. But we're watching a rebuild. I know Reinsdorf said something at a press conference two years ago. I know we just watched a rebuild start about 9 years ago, after a false start 4 years before that. The reality is that this team has mostly released their starters who bottomed out, then traded the ones with any value. Now they're bringing up prospects as they earn their spots. I don't think it's reasonable to expect them to be competing for first place right now, but that's fine if you do. It's nice to have markers to measure how this team is improving. As opposed to regularly decrying the number of losses amassed in the last 3 seasons. If that's what you want to do, please do it. And there are certainly thousands of posts around social media that will help you do that. I'm more interested in watching this team get built. Just as I wouldn't show up at the work site of a future YMCA in my gym clothes, then scream obscenities every day I don't have a finished gym to work out in. I'm not attacking anybody's viewpoint here, so please don't tell me how I'm sub-human, or I'm doing everything I'm (not) accusing everybody else of. I'm not rushing in to defend Chris Getz, or Jerry Reinsdorf. Just explaining the mindset of those of us that watch baseball and find something to root for in any kind of season, championship, middling or rebuild. Keep calm and carry on.

Not sure any player has ever vindicated my faith in them quite like Colson Montgomery lol

I dunno you guys, I don't think he's ready for the majors.

I'd prefer he keep up his recent 1 per game and finish with 45

Colson in this series: 8 RBI PCA since July 24: 8 RBI Same amount of RBI on one swing yesterday as PCA has in all of August...

Love that when Colson touched the plate, he gave Luis a normal high five. Then Robert yelled something as if to say “Hey, what about our handshake?” Colson then immediately turned around with a smile on his face and executed the handshake.

Assess ➡️Adjust➡️Boom 💣

Honest question for those of you “pointing out” that the team is actually still bad: Do you feel like you’re sharing new information that others were not aware of? Because it 100% comes off that way.

Teams blew it in not offering the Sox a lot for Robert. Somebody coulda stole him. He's been healthy all year and when motivated appears to be special. The arrival of Colson seems to have woken him up. I mean when you are playing with complete stiffs like last year it has to wear on you. Now he has Colson around. Plus Teel is for real folks. Quero is tremendous and shoot me if you will but I like Tauchman and Beni. Tauchman has had a lot of good games and is light years better than somebody like Pham. Hope the Sox build around the core and spend a few bucks to contend. They have way more good players than last year to build around if they wish to do so. We all know the pitching staff isn't good nuff to do anything special. Nice win over the Twinks who own us normally.

Maybe you didnt notice that the lecture thread just started was someone tired of posts about incremental steps foward which has to happen after you reach rock bottom. No one is throwing a party. It's just hey Im enjoying things more than last year. Maybe you want to segregate Soxtalk into Poohs and Eeyores sections where we all hang out with our own kind so the Eeyores in charge don't remove posts of the forward looking people or accuse them of gaslighting. I guaranteed the Jedi section would have more people starting game threads and rooting for victories while the Eeyores continue to ignore game threads like they have been. You know who you are. I'm sure there are people who consider themselves in the middle . Just remember if you're still here yelling fire Getz and Colson is a bum every day that youll be here jumping on the bandwagon once it starts gaining momentum. Sorry if some of you can't acknowledge the momentum has started already because the previous rebuild broke your wittle hearts.

Bring him on a 1-year deal with a team option for next year. The team needs inning eaters right now.

I have a goal to get all 8 emoticons in one post . Little help guys.If you see one I don't have give it to me ! Thanks in advance 🤣and just to give this post some real substance, Tyson Bagent threw out the 1st pitch today !

Best centerfielder in the city.

Anyway my point isn’t “all progress tweets are bad”. The ones about our scoring since the ASB, compared against all mlb teams and showing us top 5 or whatever? Awesome, because that’s what we need to be a good team. Showing us better than the worst team of all time? Cool I guess.

Twins broadcast needs to worry about there s%*# show....

Twins broadcast trashing Venable for not giving Gomez the chance for the win, can't say I disagree. stupid.

This post never asked you why you were positive, you just made it about yourself anyway. In any other context aside from the white sox it would be clear that saying "hey, you are the second worst team in baseball, but guess what, you now have more runs than the worst team in major league history" would not be like...an incredible accomplishment.

Erick Fedde has accumulated 5.2 career bWAR over 8 years in MLB, and 4.6 of that was in 5 months with the White Sox.

Could you please stop doing this? You didn't get lectured about being upset about the franchise. It sucks when we try to explain why we're positive to people who express befuddlement about that, and you're there, every single time, to bully us into shutting up.

Pretty, pretty, pretty, good

All correct. We've seen it done in other walks as life as well recently. The bar gets lowered so dramatically, so quickly, a lot of people don't know how to process it. "Hey dad, you know how I always wreck the cars you buy me? Well I got into another accident, but this time I didn't total it!" I'm not celebrating that as a victory, I want you to stop getting into accidents.

Well, we were really bad last year. A 20 win improvement and 100+ improvement in runs scored is noteworthy. I’s be less excited about it if the major contributors were veterans. Most of our success has been driven by our young core.

Yep, we were historically bad last year so what I’m getting from your take is that it was impossible not to improve but the way the team played in April of this year I thought they were trying for a repeat of the 41 wins of last year.

Montgomery is a mega savage. To have two catchers with OPS above .800 (or even around .800) is insane. FG absolutely loves Teel. 1.3 WAR in only like 50 games...positive offense and defense. Vargas is also showing encouraging improvement. His WRC+ is now right at league average even with his big droughts during the season and his xwoba suggests he should probably be a little better than average. If Baldwin can learn to play a competent CF he could be good. Just need Meidroth to consistently hit some doubles to keep the defense honest. If he can get back to being a .360+ OBP, he can still be a 2-2.5 WAR player. Braden being added at some point next year also should be great. I'm excited.

I like that he’s looked much better, but I have no interest in betting on him to stay healthy and productive moving forward. Not after getting burned by that sort of thinking with the last failed rebuild. And for the record, it bums me out that I feel this way about, but it is what it is.

I never understood how a guy pitches 4.2 innings leaves the game with the lead and a reliever comes in for 1 inning and gets the win. Maybe he gets a hold but the guy from the start should get the win.

JR is still much more concerned with $150-200 million of accrued debt since 2020. We shall see. If you told JR he could have 4th place and $5 million in profits while declining the 2026 option OR $15 million in losses but a distant second place which option would he actually choose? It would definitely make Getz look like an idiot, but he did the same thing to Hahn with TLR over Hinch.

My issue is no one would ever be excited about a 100 loss team, if they hadn't lost 120.

5 weeks left, if he averages 1 a week that will give him 18, without a major slump he has a decent chance at 20.

Bro we need like 25 WAR from pitching. We are projected to have like 5. Even if you sign two TOR types for 20 million AAV we ain't even close to a WC.

Colson Montgomery last 28 games, 13 HR, 30 RBI.

Sox worked on his mechanics got him throwing more strikes. Stuff is plenty good enough .

Did Stone just say Tauchman was cooked?

Luis needed the other clowns out of his life.

I’ve seen hundreds on the golf course, we don’t bother them and they don’t bother us. Things get a bit goofy during mating season as the males are on the move and can wind up in swimming pools and you see them taking strolls down streets or hanging out under cars.

You know you're in decent company when everyone on the list is recognizable with a mononym

the Robert/Montgomery handshake bromance is the story I didn't even know I wanted, but desperately needed.

Getting a lot of handshake practice this series

Also, Shane Smith and Grant Taylor couldn’t have been nicer signing autographs.

Tauchman leadoff oppo single on 3-2 count. Vargas single ,Tauchman to 3rd. Teel 3-2 count RBI single. 1-0 Vargas to 2nd. Robert groundball deflected on dive by 3rd basman to the SS who threw to 2nd to get an out call. Sox challenging. Call overturned. Goes for an infield hit now for Robert. Bases Loaded for Colson . 1st pitch shallow FO to right. Quero 3-0 pitch out of the zone called a strike. Quero 2 RBI single Vargas and Teel score 3-0.Robert to 2nd . Still just 1 out . Benintendi K on high fastball. Meidroth FO deep LCF on 1st pitch.

What an interesting scenario for Taj Bradley. Sent down after a bad start against the Sox, traded, and then called back up to face the Sox again.

Underrated positive tonight was Tyler Alexander with a nice 3IP to save the pen. Pitching to a solid 3.40 ERA/1.17 WHIP here compared to 6+ ERA/1.49 WHIP in Milwaukee. If the team splits were swapped it might get credited to coaching, but alas.

Its more fun to win but still I like going to the games. They do a good job with their entertainment at the ballpark. The food, parking and low ticket prices are all great.

Colson Montgomery is a superstar in the making obviously. He's so good there are no words. Robert may now blossom or at least we can hope he's turned the corner. Did you see his form on that home run? My gosh he crushed it and had the natural lift and pull uppercut.

Sox historian Rich Lindberg had some interesting thoughts on this. In essence no Black Sox scandal, MLB isn't inclined to institute the 'live ball' to save the sport, Babe Ruth never accomplishes what he did with the Yankees and the Sox team still in one piece and talented, continues to play well...the Yankee dynasty never takes place.

Ocarina of Time remains the GOAT to this day, but Goldeneye multiplayer at the time was impossible to top.