fathom Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: Time for the Yankees to nut up and offer us Jones, Hampton, & Vivas or Cashman will risk joining Hahn in the unemployment line next off-season. I’d rather have Arias than Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: Maybe we remember this the next time we're playing the "Insider said so" game? You literally just said he was “likely available” based on what exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 minute ago, WhiteSox2023 said: True, he basically swapped similar picks. That makes more sense then, since Elias is a draft hoarder. They also have pick 32 this year because of Henderson winning rookie of the year so they have 2 of the top 32 picks even with this move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) 3 minutes ago, fathom said: And Getz turned off teams by asking for too much Maybe, but we all know that Getz will have to trade Cease eventually. Risking holding onto Cease until the deadline is one thing, but no argument can be made now that trading him next offseason would be more advantageous. We have now almost been through this offseason and the offers weren’t there. There is no way Cease is still a member of the Sox after this season’s trade deadline. Edited February 2 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) 3 minutes ago, fathom said: I’d rather have Arias than Jones I can’t imagine Getz will go with a prospect that far away as one of the two big pieces. Edited February 2 by Chicago White Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Remember, you can only have two prospects for Cease and they have to be O’s fans choosing them without discussion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: You literally just said he was “likely available” based on what exactly? Based on the fact that he had 1 year of control, the Brewers are consistently willing to move guys like this, and Woodruff being hurt made their team on the field this year look way weaker. They moved Hader when they were in first place, of course they were going to be willing to move Burnes. It always made sense that they'd consider it. Insider reports aren't carved into stone tables. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) This really makes me wonder what the offers were for Cease at last year’s trade deadline. Edited February 2 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 3 minutes ago, whitesoxfan99 said: They also have pick 32 this year because of Henderson winning rookie of the year so they have 2 of the top 32 picks even with this move. OMG you know what? The O's could get another pick in that same range next year if Holliday comes up and does the same thing. They could have 1 compensatory late first pick in 2024 and 2 in 2025. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Seems like a very light return for Milwaukee. This board would have melted down if Cease was traded for that package. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orioles5258 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 16 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Counting the draft pick, they have up to 19.5 potential years of player control coming back for a guy they had 1 year of control of, in a season where they were already hurting. This is the exact kind of move the Brewers always make - if they get a high level reliever out of this and a decent infielder, they're good, that reliever is a guy they can use for 4 years and then trade. Orioles will get a comp 1st rd pick back if Burnes walks after a year SO its not losing 19 years for 1 year shot at WS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Hopefully this motivates cease to pitch his ass off this season so he can get off this 50-112 team by the trade deadline 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Just now, hogan873 said: Seems like a very light return for Milwaukee. This board would have melted down if Cease was traded for that package. This is why the White Sox will actually have pressure to trade Cease at the deadline this year if he's healthy, because 1 year of control is worth a lot less than 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 For one year of Burnes, BAL paid the following in SV per BTV: 4m (pick), 18.9m (Hall), and 13.6m (Ortiz). Total: 36.5m Burnes value for that one year is 33.3....so BAL paid a premium of about 10% for pitching. BTV has Cease at 42m....a 10% premium would mean about 46m in SV should be the return or almost exactly Woo, Montes and Clase (49m) from SEA, hypothetically. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 6 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: It doesn’t completely satisfy the Orioles needs at all. The Orioles need starting pitching for more than just one year, which is what Burnes will be for them. Their competitive window is not one season. Thinking the new ownership deal when approved by MLB includes commitments by the minority ownership group (they'll own 40% until Peter Angelos is dead) to commit to funding while they wait. Cleveland completed a similar deal with new minority owner David Blitzer who bought 35% with an option to purchase the rest infused capital, though it doesn't seem as though Cleveland is willing to spend it. Perhaps they were waiting for the Bally's TV issue to be resolved, which it appears to be for the upcoming season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Just now, SoCalChiSox said: For one year of Burnes, BAL paid the following in SV per BTV: 4m (pick), 18.9m (Hall), and 13.6m (Ortiz). Total: 36.5m Burnes value for that one year is 33.3....so BAL paid a premium of about 10% for pitching. BTV has Cease at 42m....a 10% premium would mean about 46m in SV should be the return or almost exactly Woo, Montes and Clase (49m) from SEA, hypothetically. Does BTV count the value of Burnes returning a draft pick in '25? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: Based on the fact that he had 1 year of control, the Brewers are consistently willing to move guys like this, and Woodruff being hurt made their team on the field this year look way weaker. They moved Hader when they were in first place, of course they were going to be willing to move Burnes. It always made sense that they'd consider it. Insider reports aren't carved into stone tables. Fair enough…but I don’t agree it was reasonable to assume the Brewers would undercut a Cease market. I don’t think they were committed to dealing him unless they got the right deal (and this gives them two major league ready pieces that can slot into their rotation and at SS) and I don’t believe all GMs like paying up for arms with just one year of control. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: This is why the White Sox will actually have pressure to trade Cease at the deadline this year if he's healthy, because 1 year of control is worth a lot less than 2. Some would say 50% less! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: Does BTV count the value of Burnes returning a draft pick in '25? I do not know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FT35 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 13 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Time for the Yankees to nut up and offer us Jones, Hampton, & Vivas or Cashman will risk joining Hahn in the unemployment line next off-season. I just also hope this deal doesn’t lower the bar as far as returns are concerned. “Burnes only returned “x” so we’re not going as high on Cease…” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Kudos to Sports Guy and Rolle Tide for being right on Ortiz/Hall. Corbin Burnes obviously a FA at the end of the year with a much higher salary than Cease. Brewers fans have to be pissed after signing veteran Hawkins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 minute ago, FT35 said: I just also hope this deal doesn’t lower the bar as far as returns are concerned. “Burnes only returned “x” so we’re not going as high on Cease…” I don’t think this necessarily is a bad return for Burnes. It’s just more quantity than quality. Having said that, these pieces really wouldn’t work for us and we need potential impact talent (although Hall has some ceiling). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Kudos to Sports Guy and Rolle Tide for being right on Ortiz/Hall. Were they right? I thought SG agreed with whoever was having that long convo that the return should be Cowser/Kjerstad and Ortiz, and not a bit higher until the bidding went up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Getz not selling short like this actually gives me a little bit more faith in him as a GM. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: I don’t think this necessarily is a bad return for Burnes. It’s just more quantity than quality. Having said that, these pieces really wouldn’t work for us and we need potential impact talent (although Hall has some ceiling). Hall may be nothing more than a long/middle reliever with his current walk rate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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