The Sox have several Christian players on their team now, including Davis Martin. I don't think they'd have a problem adding Roupp. I just don't think he's that good. If you give up assets, you've got to imagine the guy you get back starting one of the first two games of a playoff series. Is Roupp really that guy?

10 hours ago, GreenSox said:

So we trade Bonemer to  rent Skubal for 2 months; still a long shot to win WS or pennant.  Then say Colson gets hurt next season and Peters turns into a fluke.  Where are we?    
When the Sox can draft and develop like the Dodgers, then we can make those sorts of trades (we’re better at than we were, but nowhere near Dodger level; Sox are average). Need a steady stream of young players in order to win.  Trade them away without developing new ones = Sox 2010-2025.

Williams and moreso Hahn used most of our best prospects for 2^nd and 3^rd tier talent that performed like 3^rd  and 4^th tier talent. The Sox had so few good prospects back then that the cost was immense.

If the Sox can’t develop talent then bonemer is unlikely to be valuable and they should trade him for major league star like Skubal.

But you’d also have Roch or Emerson or Lombard in the pipeline just after.

If the Sox still can’t develop talent, it doesn’t really matter if they trade away Bonemer, it will all be fleeting anyway. At least you’ll get a few good months.

2 minutes ago, bmags said:

If the Sox can’t develop talent then bonemer is unlikely to be valuable and they should trade him for major league star like Skubal.

But you’d also have Roch or Emerson or Lombard in the pipeline just after.

If the Sox still can’t develop talent, it doesn’t really matter if they trade away Bonemer, it will all be fleeting anyway. At least you’ll get a few good months.

No doubt the Sox have to develop talent, I give them kudos for developing a first-place team. Hagen Smith & Noah Schultz could be the pitching that elevate the Sox to serious contenders. I want to see how Noah pitches coming of the IL. Hagen Smith has me worried, I can't help but think of Carson Fulmer. If they can get those two guys going it is a game changer for the franchise.

What about Braxton Ashcraft in Pittsburgh? I was looking through rosters and he caught my eye. He’s a little older, but he’s performing well and has a ton of team control. The Pirates also have a lot of pitching so maybe they’d move him. I’m guessing that would take Bonemer as well though.

11 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said:

It’s fun to talk about, but how many top prospect for top prospect 1 for 1 deals where both guys have no service time have ever happened?

A fun one was Zac Gallen for Jazz Chisholm

What about targeting Sonny Gray and Aroldis Chapman in a package deal? Maybe Carlson and a few other prospects for them? I think we definitely need a better closer than Dominguez. He's way too shaky and inconsistent for my liking.

14 minutes ago, HeGone10 said:

What about targeting Sonny Gray and Aroldis Chapman in a package deal? Maybe Carlson and a few other prospects for them? I think we definitely need a better closer than Dominguez. He's way too shaky and inconsistent for my liking.

Chapman should be at the top of their list

I’d rather target a late inning RH reliever and move Taylor to the closer role.

42 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

A fun one was Zac Gallen for Jazz Chisholm

That is a fun one

14 minutes ago, Lukakke Appling said:

I’d rather target a late inning RH reliever and move Taylor to the closer role

I would think Senzatela is a perfect trade target as well.

Edited Tuesday at 03:10 PM1 day by HeGone10

2 hours ago, HeGone10 said:

What about targeting Sonny Gray and Aroldis Chapman in a package deal? Maybe Carlson and a few other prospects for them? I think we definitely need a better closer than Dominguez. He's way too shaky and inconsistent for my liking.

In my opinion this is not the year to trade high end prospects for older short term veterans. This is absolutely a wait and see year for me. If we can get some vets for AAA fodder, then by all means - but I wouldn't be looking at dealing from our top 10 (or so) prospects.

37 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

In my opinion this is not the year to trade high end prospects for older short term veterans. This is absolutely a wait and see year for me. If we can get some vets for AAA fodder, then by all means - but I wouldn't be looking at dealing from our top 10 (or so) prospects.

Agreed

It would be crazy to trade Bonemer for Sloan in my opinion. They're basically similarly ranked prospects but pitchers have much wider error bars. The hitting prospect has a more reliable outcome, and Bonemer is the man.

1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

It would be crazy to trade Bonemer for Sloan in my opinion. They're basically similarly ranked prospects but pitchers have much wider error bars. The hitting prospect has a more reliable outcome, and Bonemer is the man.

Exactly my thoughts too.

1 hour ago, Whisox05 said:

Good.

2 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

It would be crazy to trade Bonemer for Sloan in my opinion. They're basically similarly ranked prospects but pitchers have much wider error bars. The hitting prospect has a more reliable outcome, and Bonemer is the man.

I feel a lot of people are focusing on Bonemer's high strikeout rate and are a little down on him, but he had 18 bombs in 61 games at A+ as a 20 year old. He even took Gerritt Cole deep. The guy is a stud.

Gunnar Henderson as a 20 year old in A+ had 9 HRs in 65 games with a 30% strikeout rate. Bonemer at the same age in A+ has 18 HRs in 61 games with a 29% strikeout rate and basically the same BB%. They had basically the same SO% and BB% but Bonemer had way more power. Bonemer has legit 40 HR power as a middle infielder. I'm not trading him unless it's for a big time player.

Edited Tuesday at 08:56 PM1 day by ron883

7 minutes ago, ron883 said:

I feel a lot of people are focusing on Bonemer's high strikeout rate and are a little down on him, but he had 18 bombs in 61 games at A+ as a 20 year old. He even took Gerritt Cole deep. The guy is a stud.

Gunnar Henderson as a 20 year old in A+ had 9 HRs in 65 games with a 30% strikeout rate. Bonemer at the same age in A+ has 18 HRs in 61 games with a 29% strikeout rate and basically the same BB%. They had basically the same SO% and BB% but Bonemer had way more power. Bonemer has legit 40 HR power as a middle infielder. I'm not trading him unless it's for a big time player.

Sloan is one of the best pitching prospects in baseball as a 20 year old in AA.

Edited Tuesday at 09:02 PM1 day by Chicago White Sox

43 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Sloan is one of the best pitching prospects in baseball as a 20 year old in AA.

I get it. He's also a local guy which is cool. I'm just really high on Bonemer. I'd prefer to keep him over a similarly ranked pitching prospect personally. Like I said, I see him having 40 HR power as a middle infielder. It would take a lot for me to part ways with him.

58 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Sloan is one of the best pitching prospects in baseball as a 20 year old in AA.

It pains me that the Sox missed out on Sloan. There was a lot of interest at the time I believe. I wonder if they were trying to float him to the 3rd round.

26 minutes ago, ron883 said:

I get it. He's also a local guy which is cool. I'm just really high on Bonemer. I'd prefer to keep him over a similarly ranked pitching prospect personally. Like I said, I see him having 40 HR power as a middle infielder. It would take a lot for me to part ways with him.

That’s totally fair…I’m just pointing out that Sloan is a big time player, just of the minor league variety.

30 minutes ago, DirtySox said:

It pains me that the Sox missed out on Sloan. There was a lot of interest at the time I believe. I wonder if they were trying to float him to the 3rd round.

I live six houses down from him, so am very biased on this matter, but I really wanted the kid with one of our second round picks. I kind of wonder if they were originally trying to get him at 68 instead of Blake Larson, but had to pivot once they decided to go with Hagen instead of Konner Griffen. Sloan got $1.6M more than Larson, which is about the difference that Hagen got vs. Konner.

Imagine if we had come out of the 2024 draft with Griffen, Bonemer, Sloan, & Antonacci. I know the Mariners were incredibly aggressive in their pursuits of Ryan so maybe $3M wouldn’t have gotten him to us, but financially this would have been feasible and we know Shirley wanted Griffin for sure.

I wouldn't hate the Sox going after Seth Halvorsen. He fits Bannisters M.O. of maximum extension and he throws absolute heat. He's very controllable, but I don't think he'd cost all that much either because he has had his struggles this season. Would easily give the Sox another potential late arm if they can figure out the control issues. I know everyone wants a big time add, but if the Sox aren't willing to move top prospects it might be very hard for them to make a big splash. This feels more like the type of deal Getz has pursued in the past.

Edited yesterday at 07:23 AM1 day by CWSpalehoseCWS

16 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Sloan is one of the best pitching prospects in baseball as a 20 year old in AA.

Because of the way the game is I strongly prefer batting of pitching. 1. Pitchers are guaranteed to be out 1 season for tommy john. 2. Pitchers rarely are allowed to go over 100 pitches. 3. Pitchers rarely get over just 180 innings now.. 4. Pitchers pitch even less in the playoffs - often not even making it past the first if they get a few runners on. Give me a guy that plays 150 games. (assuming similar rankings)

Edited yesterday at 01:03 PM1 day by Squirmin' for Yermin

Jim Bowden said the Sox were the best fit for Sonny Gray and Aroldis Chapman.

Mark Feinsand had this to say on the matter: “Gray’s market will be limited by his salary,” an anonymous executive told Feinsand. “Contreras is an acquired taste, Duran is having a down season, and Chapman will be a rental reliever. The potential returns for that group will be tempered.”

I remain convinced that Gray is the guy to pursue. Eat the rest of his salary and buyout on his mutual option to limit the prospect cost. We should 100% have the money to do this. He may not be perfect, but he’d be a MASSIVE upgrade.