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i got to say tho, TA be a bit of a diva. if that was Moncada he would have spit on it and tried to play until jose talked him out of it.

I haven’t felt this kind of release since I was 17

let him come in tomorrow as a pinch runner, but don’t let him run.

When Ozzie turned his back on the White Sox...I turned my back on Ozzie.

Give it a rest, dude.

Thinking anderson should have seen that third was the play there is an interesting take. This one is on Yoan - he needs to be yelling 3 there. That ball was hit deep enough in the hole that anderson cant be taking his eye off the ball to check third and he did not have any time to check it before the play to one. Yoan needs to be aggressive and loud there as he is Timmy's eyes on that play because tim had to focus on the ball.. since that's kinda important and all.

Screw Ozzie. Hire Ditka. Unfortunately, Ricky will be here until he screws up JR's Dunkin Donuts order multiple times.

thanks ron for making sure you hit your troll thread quota for 2019 in june.

Me.Likey.Ozzie.

dude I uh, have had two fully ruptured patella tendons, at the same time. There's like 5 of those in the entire US every year. I was a presige charity case for my surgeon and I have blown past the best case outcome (full recovery to all activity basically). also have had a completely shattered foot requiring 4 pins and months off it. I know pain and I know athletes in pain. If all he has is a really an ankle sprain (yea had a lot of those too) and had to be helped off like that I can say that's a bit of a diva move. i love TA man, but I call it like I see it. anyways go sox and go TA!

God bless those of you who can pay an ounce of attention to the actual game, cuz I sure as hell cant.

This whole ridiculous mess with pitching is not Renteria's fault. I might be in the minority as I think Ricky has done a nice job with this club and the young guys

Well we sign those guys to be starters here.

Abreu chasing out of the zone pitches is getting chronic. I would drop him in the order to 5th or 6th.

Another reason not to do a bullpen day...Ruiz sucks and shouldn’t pitch in close games. Sox management really has their heads up their asses right now

criminally underused!

So sick of TA crappy defense being babied from everyone in the organization, saying he had a good night.

I don't see how you can come here and constantly play the martyr but here we are. No debate class, just annoyed at your constant playing the victim, dismissal of anyone who actually brings facts to a discussion, and you calling people haters and sabes many, MANY, people on this site have spent hours writing long form posts that's debate things that you dismiss and barely skim. So happy for you that avi is finally having a good season, it's so great that it took 5 years of fucking around in a white Sox uniform to actually have another good season. Yay avi. Yay

I’m tired of Ricky and the front office. The only thing that keeps me watching is the progress of Yoan, Eloy, Tim, McCann and Giolito

Is calling sanchez yogurt a soxtalk joke thing or is it a autocorrect thing

Ozzie? I have never seen a manager, in any sport, quit on his team worse than Ozzie. He managed in a way so that he would be fired and allowed to take a position with a different team. That should never be forgiven. He burned the bridge.

This is what I would like the White Sox do for a change. If they think they need to change managers, give it some real thought, interview more than one guy, and even consider baseball men outside the organization. In fact, they should make up their minds and hire someone who has never been connected to the team. For once, treat this job as if it was important and approach the hiring that way.

Anderson has been 98, 78 and 85 in wRC+ before this season. Is he going to stay at 120 for the rest of this season? Probably not. Is he one of the best ten or twelve SS’s in baseball? Undoubtedly, despite the brain cramps, routine play blunders and occasional overaggressiveness when caution is called for on the basepaths. Like Jose Valentin, he makes up for those blunders with his range and arm. In the end, it’s a huge win to get 3-4 fWAR out of him on a consistent basis. He’s one of our five young core position players moving forward. He’s also probably not the superstar he looked like the first six weeks, and walk rates will always suppress his full offensive value. Finally, replacing your SS is probably the hardest move you can make as an organization...along with developing a young catcher who can both hit and field. Being objective about a player on your team is far from being a hater. My point was that moving him to the outfield creates an even bigger hole to fill at SS.

No....just no. The clamoring for Ozzie by several White Sox fans because of what he did 14 years ago is flabbergasting.

Well I found something different we can spend some money on: For any who don't know, Boddy is the guy who runs Driveline. Let's use some of that money we have lying around to revamp our player development staff.

Bring back Ozzie

Reading these game-threads after the fact sure is a trip. It's like half of you have amnesia and are just discovering that the starting pitching is utter trash other than Giolito. Games like this are the norm when 4/5 of your rotation is flotsam. Expect plenty more of this the rest of the season when someone other than Gio is on the slate. There is nothing in Charlotte other than Cease and retreads like Detwiler. This was always going to be another rebuilding season, especially after the TJ plague hit the pitching crop. Props to the folks in this thread who are level-headed and have quality contributions and make it fun to read despite the swell of shit-posts. You know who you are.

Jimenez has played a passable left field IMO. I sure don't want him on the bench for National League home games in the playoffs.

I was going to post this but didn’t want to jinx it. He appears to have been right according to fegan

If we didn't have bad luck...we wouldn't have any luck at all.

If Tim Anderson has some serious injury (does he? I'm not watching the game), then it really all appears hopeless. He's a fine young ballplayer. Losing him at a prime spot in the batting order and in the field would be really depressing.

Abreu has zero plate discipline whatsoever anymore

And desperately time to move on. He’s just not good anymore.

Then let's make him an everyday DH. I'd be happy with an Edgar Martinez type player any day.

Thank god Leury take charge.

Then the sox wouldn't sign him and get that pick again next year.

I wish Carson would pan out. I was excited when we drafted him. He was crazy good in college. Give this man a shot if you are not going to call us Cease. Let Carson start the rest of the way

Robertson was good but he wasn't worth a penny more than his salary so it's not as if he had surplus value that warranted a good prospect. Kahnle had been good for like 8 months and he was a reliever with control issues. Frazier was similar to robertson but even worse because he was worth a little less than his production. People really exaggerate the value of Kahnle and the guys in that deal.

https://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2013/07/brooks-robinson-on-manny-machado-hes-as-good-as-anybody-playing-over-there.html

Exactly how I felt after the loss. Kind of feeling like they're going to go on one of those 6-10 game losing streaks. Just feels like the enthusiasm with the fanbase is dead right now and the team seems to be deflated. Anderson looked visibly frustrated and not 100% there, and quite honestly immature last night the way he talked to the umpire yesterday after he got called out on strikes (as bad as the umps have been, he was legitimately aced there.)

May the Schwartz be wit you ...

Not on the White Sox in a rebuilding situation.

Let’s just say there has never been a GM better positioned with the mid market payrolls of the AL central and the ability to jump start the rebuild with Sale, Eaton, Q...not to mention Frazier/Kahnle/Robertson. Even if we have the best group of young position players in baseball...we have five young starting pitchers with TJS already in their histories and the Lopez. We’ve spent multiple years bringing in college relievers yet don’t have anything resembling a lockdown pen. We largely don’t play smart baseball and have outdated coaches at the major league level. We’ve probably already wasted picks on Fulmer, Burdi, Hansen (at least the upside was there), Burger, Sheets...and have hit a complete brick wall in terms of any of the four remaining minor league OF prospects after Robert even being close to ready for 2020...meaning we need to at the very least rent a RFer for 2-3 years. Collins is just as much suspect as prospect. All of the lesser trades since 2016 have brought in...well, maybe nobody who will contribute to our next playoff team. Palka and Fry last year are worth very little this year. We have lots of utility players and 4th/5th infielders...but the only real breakthrough has been the play of McCann. Other than that move, we might have had the worst offseason in recent memory, as Colome might be dealt and our catching situation still is unresolved long-term.

Let’s get this dude, move Cooper into an advisory role/roving instructor and hire Brian Bannister to be the pitching guy in the organization. He’s very analytical inclined and has been working for the Red Sox for the past few years http://www.nbcsports.com/boston/red-sox/why-hasnt-rising-star-brian-bannister-left-red-sox%3famp https://www.si.com/mlb/2019/06/07/boston-red-sox-brian-bannister-mvp-machine

Flaherty did it twice, actually...in the span of less than two weeks. That time, on June 15th as a PR at second, he stumbled and almost fell rounding third against the Mets after a single had dropped into RF between fielders and therefore also made the final out of the game.

Rutherford now 3-3. Up to a robust .251 batting average.

Thank you, "CaliSoxFan..". Although strong arguments can be made that left handed hitters have some distinct advantages, my argument is not based upon that. I wouldn't want an all left handed hitting lineup, anymore than I do an all right handed hitting lineup. Of course, I'd prefer a good all right handed hitting lineup, to a poorly balanced lineup. However, if we are discussing acquisitions, why not try to find someone who could provide "better balance," as you stated? So, what is so important about "balance". A pitcher can more easily find his slot, when facing a lineup consisting of every hitter from the same side of the plate. Having to pitch differently, to each hitter is made more difficult by the adjustments required to effectively deal with a succession of hitters, who bat from opposite sides of the plate. A right handed pitcher may be very effective throwing his breaking pitches to most right handed hitters. If he faces a succession of them, he can more easily get into a good groove, and just try to consistently maintain it. If he has to face a few left handed hitters, he is forced to use a different approach. The challenge of having to make that necessary adjustment simply places an added burden on the pitcher. That is the reason that a manager will try to stagger his lineup, by alternating right and left handed hitters, where possible. It is much easier for an opposing manager to manage his bullpen, if all of your dangerous hitters bat from the same side of the plate. By alternating right and left handed hitters, you force your opponent to consider bringing in different relievers, in order to navigate through the dangerous part of the batting order. Absent that balance, an opposing manager can simply leave a reliever in the game, until he reaches the number of pitches, deemed to be his limit, for that appearance. It appears that almost every position is practically set, for the approaching window of contention. Most of us would be willing to bet that the following players will be starting in 2021: LF Eloy CF Robert 3B Moncada SS Anderson 2B Madrigal 1B Vaughn C Collins and maybe McCann That leaves just DH and RF as major question marks. If the Sox extend Abreu, that leaves only RF as a hole to fill. There are several promising outfield prospects, but it's doubtful that anyone will be ready soon. That's why I agree with "Eminor3rd," who suggested adding Shogo Akiyama, if he elects to come to the U.S. Something like a 3 year deal could be a very good solution to the RF problem. Moreover, he would not likely demand so much money, that it would impede the front office's ability to sign the more needed additional pitching.

He is deserving of the honor.